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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2017/06/trump_s_claims_that_comey_lied_under_oath_put_him_in_a_pickle.htmlHaving accused the former FBI director of perjury, the president now must prove itor surrender his credibility.
By Mark Joseph Stern
Donald Trump typically claims that anyone who makes him look bad is nothing more than a rotten liar. Political opponents, beauty queens, alleged victims of sexual assault: Trump dismisses them all as fibbers and fabricators, spewing malicious falsehoods to besmirch his character and hurt his agenda. It was therefore no surprise that, following James Comeys extraordinarily damaging testimony on Thursday, Trump accused the former FBI director of issuing many false statements and lies to the Senate Intelligence Committee. He then repeated this allegation at a Friday press conference and offered to go under oath to contradict Comey.
But not all lies are created equaland Trumps charge is not just a mere deflection, designed to dull the impact of Comeys testimony before it fades away altogether. Even if he meant it that way, Trump has still accused Comey of perjury, a federal crime that undermines our legal system and carries serious penalties. He likely doesnt realize the severity of this accusation; he routinely throws perceived enemies under the bus for the sake of political expediency. But this time, his habit will backfire. The presidents reckless barb is certain to escalate the conflict between the two men. And Trump has already given Comey the upper hand.
Among lawyers and government officials, the charge of perjury is not taken lightly, and for good reason: An individual found guilty of the crime may be fined and imprisoned for up to five years. In 1973, the Supreme Court set a high bar for perjury: An ambiguous, evasive, or even misleading statement doesnt necessarily qualify. Thats a key reason why, since the 1940s, only six people have been convicted of perjury in relation to congressional testimony.
Somebody is lyingeither the former director of the FBI or the president of the United States.
But a liean intentional untruth made under oathindisputably qualifies as perjury. And perjury is precisely what Trump alleged on Friday morning by asserting that Comeys testimony was filled with false statements and lies. This claim built on a statement issued by Marc Kasowitz, the presidents attorney, that directly contradicted Comeys testimony by declaring that Trump never told Comey, I need loyalty, I expect loyalty, in form or substance. Comey testified that Trump said exactly that. Kasowitz and, more importantly, Trump himself are calling Comey a perjurer. Meanwhile, Comey, by rejecting Trumps explanation of his firing, is calling the president a liar.
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gratuitous
(82,849 posts)The world he's used to is one of development deal-making, where backstabbing is de rigeur and your word is worthless without a large cash infusion. Not that governing doesn't indulge these features, but people do pay attention to what you say, and sometimes even hold you to it. Trump is comfortable operating in an environment where nobody takes too much notice of what you might have promised, but if they do, and it blows up in your face, well, that's why the good lord invented bankruptcy court.
Politics is different. Even Paul Ryan has gotten squeamish about Trump's lack of experience, even though he's still trying to defend Trump. The lies, evasions, bullybluster, and denials are snowballing on Trump, and he doesn't know how to head it off or get out of the way because that's not the way things are done in his world. His approval numbers among Republicans remain high, but fewer people continue to identify as Republican, which suggests that Republicans who have become disaffected with the Trump Train have quit identifying themselves as Republican.
This is not going to get better for Trump anytime soon.
regnaD kciN
(26,045 posts)Seriously, if "Obama is a Kenyan Muslim" and "I was being wiretapped through my microwave" didn't completely destroy his credibility, one more outrageous claim won't.
Freethinker65
(10,047 posts)He made sure to specify what was actually said vs. his opinions on what things meant. He stated clearly when he was giving opinions which might be wrong, but with his years of FBI and other experience why he came to his conclusions. While some criticized Comey for lack of knockout punches, he was extremely professional, meticulous, and serious in his testimony.
Trump damn well said the word "loyalty". That is one of the words that forced Comey to memorialize the discussions.
Now Trump can try the typical Trump defenses that he was just joking, or when he said loyalty he really meant something lesser....but to deny he asked for it is utter bullshit
Ligyron
(7,639 posts)Spun it as "loyalty to the country" or some such?
wishstar
(5,271 posts)His lies and BS have served him well so far, paving his way into White House so he thinks he can just continue with the same antics.
He has never been held personally accountable or responsible in his entire 70 years. He could bluster, bully, threaten with his lawyers, file lawsuits and occasionally reach a settlement where he did not have to admit wrongdoing.
JHB
(37,161 posts)Depending on your view, he either surrendered it way back in the (pick a decade, any decade)'s, or else he is being relentlessly slandered and attacked by lying dogs who vomit lies from thief mouthed every moment of the day and night.
Who's in the middle ground where THIS is their last straw?
greatauntoftriplets
(175,749 posts)and went through with it anyway. IMO, there's no question who the liar is.
Ilsa
(61,698 posts)All of the intel people have said it was false.
leftstreet
(36,112 posts)He's been caught in so many I'm losing track
Saboburns
(2,807 posts)Jeebus Cherist man. Been in a coma? Amnesia? Watching FauxNews?
Cha
(297,604 posts)on his own Vicious Petard.
ResistantAmerican17
(3,819 posts)How many contortions House Speaker Gumby will go through with this one.
bucolic_frolic
(43,276 posts)Does not include - get it - words.
lutherj
(2,496 posts)with in a tweet after he fired him. If he fails to provide the tapes, then it's obvious that Trump was lying about their existence, or they don't back him up. Either way he's screwed.