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cthulu2016

(10,960 posts) Sun Jul 8, 2012, 06:32 PM Jul 2012

Noah's Ark is amply explained

Since evolution is a lie (told by Satan atop the tower of Babel, IIRC) then we know there is no mechanism for the appearance of new species.

In the world today there are anywhere from 10-50 million land species. So it is hard to see how all the millions and millions of needed animals could have fit on Noah's ark. (And somewhat hard to see how a lot of species of land animal in the America's walked to where the ark was.)

But the thing is, the ark was much larger than most people think.

Noah's Ark was three stories high (Genesis 6:16). Its total deck area was equivalent to the area of about 20 standard college basketball courts or 36 lawn tennis courts. The world had to wait until AD 1884 before the Ark's size was exceeded, when the Italian liner Eturia was built.

...It could have been larger, because several larger-sized cubits were used.

Creation Tips.com

Fair enough. A cubit in Genesis might be any damn thing, so let's stipulate that the biblical dimensions of the ark don't preclude a big enough ark.

But if the ark was so ginormous.... Um, one family built this? It seems like an awful lot of lumber. Even if we allow for an ark so vast it could hold 20, 40, 60 million currently existing creatures plus additional countless millions of dinosaurs and such, we get back to the problem of an elderly man and his sons-in-law building it.

Ah, but things are not as dire as the seem...

Remember too that not every creature went on the Ark. Fish and other sea creatures didn't go on, and they account for a very large percentage of the world's animals. It was only land-dwelling, air-breathing animals that went on the Ark — and even many of them are very small, such as spiders, worms, beetles, etc.

http://www.creationtips.com/animalark.html

Good point! Some animals are very small. And it gets better...

When we realize that not every type of butterfly, snake, kangaroo, or whatever had to go on board — only the major “kinds” — we find that there might have been only about 35,000 animals on board.

So the question is not so much how did they all fit, but what did Noah use all the left-over room for?

http://www.creationtips.com/animalark.html

This is an excellent point. God spoke of every kind of animal, not every species.

So there was one pair of snakes. And then after the flood was over those representatives of the snake "kind" developed into the 2,700 species of snake we have today (plus all the extinct species of snake).

And the process by which these 2,700 species of snake originated would be called... damn, it's right on the tip of my tongue! Something about the origin of species...

Anyway, CreationTips.com is all over this thing, and is a boon for the modern educator. For instance, it provides information you need to help kids understand that the false ark from the false Babylonian version of the flood story was false.

Babylonian Ark fails test

The ancient Babylonians had a flood story too, and it may have been a corrupted version of the biblical account. The ark in the Babylonian story was shaped like a cube, which would had made it unseaworthy.

This shows the difference between truth and badly recorded legends. The Bible's Ark was able to carry all the animals God sent to Noah, it was wonderfully seaworthy, it landed on a mountain that is still identifiable today, and the whole story is credible scientifically.

Because of this, there are many thousands of scientists who believe the Bible's account of the Ark and the worldwide Flood, but none (as far as we know) who seriously defends the Babylonian story as scientifically trustworthy.

http://www.creationtips.com/arksize.html

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Noah's Ark is amply explained (Original Post) cthulu2016 Jul 2012 OP

It's also a question of who ate whom. I could just imagine all of the RKP5637 Jul 2012 #1

Fish, they would have taken nets and caught fish to feed to the predators. Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #11

It's all fantasy to me. Yep, fish nets would do it! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2012 #17

And worse HillWilliam Jul 2012 #16

How did they get the pair of kangaroos on board? treestar Jul 2012 #2

Dude, they can hop! cthulu2016 Jul 2012 #3

Plop a kangaroo in the drink somewhere, you'll see how long 'e can tread water. . . Journeyman Jul 2012 #5

There were kangaroos in the Middle East in those days, silly. kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #7

When I first heard this story as a little kid I thought WTF? You gotta RKP5637 Jul 2012 #10

I hate to be in charge of the Pooper Scooper itsrobert Jul 2012 #4

LOL! And some of them thought it was raining in the ark. n/t RKP5637 Jul 2012 #9

Oy. Nt xchrom Jul 2012 #6

The Babylonian flood story "may have been a corrupted version of the biblical account" DavidDvorkin Jul 2012 #8

Ok using modern means (if they had it) how long would it have taken to round up the animals... Historic NY Jul 2012 #12

Um, salt water and fresh water fish DiverDave Jul 2012 #13

In other words, what they are saying... jmowreader Jul 2012 #14

What about genital crabs? aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2012 #15

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)

1. It's also a question of who ate whom. I could just imagine all of the

Reply to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Sun Jul 8, 2012, 06:37 PM

Jul 2012

various predatory species being on board just playing nice. Ohhhh, the human species is often so backward.

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)

11. Fish, they would have taken nets and caught fish to feed to the predators.

Reply to RKP5637 (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 8, 2012, 08:25 PM

Jul 2012

Not that I believe in this fairy tale, it just seems that your point isn't valid.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)

17. It's all fantasy to me. Yep, fish nets would do it! n/t

Reply to Motown_Johnny (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 8, 2012, 11:25 PM

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HillWilliam

(3,310 posts)

16. And worse

Reply to RKP5637 (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 8, 2012, 10:03 PM

Jul 2012

who had to clean out the bottom of that boat? That HAD to have been worse than the bathroom at Taco Bell.

Or maybe not . . .

treestar

(82,383 posts)

2. How did they get the pair of kangaroos on board?

Reply to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Sun Jul 8, 2012, 06:40 PM

Jul 2012

Did they sail down under to pick them up?

The more you think about that story, the more absurd it is. Nice story, but . . .

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)

3. Dude, they can hop!

Reply to treestar (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 8, 2012, 06:46 PM

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Journeyman

(15,036 posts)

5. Plop a kangaroo in the drink somewhere, you'll see how long 'e can tread water. . .

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Sun Jul 8, 2012, 07:10 PM

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kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)

7. There were kangaroos in the Middle East in those days, silly.

Reply to treestar (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 8, 2012, 08:12 PM

Jul 2012

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)

10. When I first heard this story as a little kid I thought WTF? You gotta

Reply to treestar (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 8, 2012, 08:24 PM

Jul 2012

be nuts! Then they told be if I didn't quit asking questions in Sunday School I would have to leave. Yet another WTF.

itsrobert

(14,157 posts)

4. I hate to be in charge of the Pooper Scooper

Reply to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Sun Jul 8, 2012, 06:47 PM

Jul 2012

I bet the mountain was made of animal poop.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)

9. LOL! And some of them thought it was raining in the ark. n/t

Reply to itsrobert (Reply #4)

Sun Jul 8, 2012, 08:20 PM

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xchrom

(108,903 posts)

6. Oy. Nt

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Sun Jul 8, 2012, 07:15 PM

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DavidDvorkin

(19,479 posts)

8. The Babylonian flood story "may have been a corrupted version of the biblical account"

Reply to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Sun Jul 8, 2012, 08:16 PM

Jul 2012

Or, just possibly, maybe, the other way around.

Historic NY

(37,451 posts)

12. Ok using modern means (if they had it) how long would it have taken to round up the animals...

Reply to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Sun Jul 8, 2012, 08:26 PM

Jul 2012

from all the continents & lands.

DiverDave

(4,886 posts)

13. Um, salt water and fresh water fish

Reply to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Sun Jul 8, 2012, 08:40 PM

Jul 2012

cant live in the same water.

jmowreader

(50,559 posts)

14. In other words, what they are saying...

Reply to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Sun Jul 8, 2012, 08:52 PM

Jul 2012

is Noah had access to logging trucks, chainsaws, a lumber mill, a battalion of carpenters none of whom was smart enough to build a boat of his own, and the ability to build an aircraft carrier out of wood in one night because most people who noticed someone was building something that big would make preparations of their own.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)

15. What about genital crabs?

Reply to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Sun Jul 8, 2012, 08:58 PM

Jul 2012

They need blood to live and the type that infest humans can't survive on any other species. These kind are unique to humans. Did Noah sacrifice himself and allow his own body to become a mini louse ark? If so, did he go around inspecting genitals among his people to find some at the same time he collected other ark voyagers? Or was he just generally the kind of guy who doesn't bathe and normally carries around sexually transmitted diseases? And then once the flood was over, how did he reintroduce crabs to the human population?

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