Hit them in the pocketbook and they will howl.

Don't leave any room for interpretation or opinion to wish away this horrible legislation.

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If you drive a car with out-of-state plates on them, many people will fuck with you, knowing you aren't carrying.

If you drive a car with in-state plates on them, people leave you alone.


When you get a rental, make sure it has FL plates on it. In fact, if you go to any SYG state, make sure you are driving an in-state registered vehicle. People see rental stickers or foreign license plates and they know you're a tourist and out of your element.



We stopped visiting FL, twice a year, to vacation and visit family. We take out money to better states. This was four years ago, and we havent been back since. FL lost out on $5-7K each year in vacation revenue.

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I lived in Florida for over 20 years.

Rentals are clearly recognizable, but except for those criminals targeting tourists in Miami years ago - it's perfectly safe.

Tourism in Florida is just fine. I doubt they miss you lol.

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I don't care if they miss me.

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No one will.

Sorry I'm not cool like you.

But still, Florida doesn't care if you and your ultra cool self don't visit.

Perhaps you can write it a few more times.

Nope. Still not phased.

Look up the difference.

Your little lmao man is pretty funny.

Omg, the ignorance is strong here.

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After a few years, wondering why sometimes people are assholes and other times they weren't...

I started tracking the events, and after a couple of years, a correlation was made.


Nothing scientific. It's just me. So, others can take note and see if it happens to them.


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never heard this claim before.

What form did this harassment take?

I can tell you that's a ridiculous claim. It's not even in the same world as fact.

I need some numbers for the next Powerball.

Florida was one of the first states to allow concealed carry starting back in 1987. Not the first since Vermont has allowed concealed carry without a permit for decades before that, but the first to go to a shall-issue permit system.

At that time there was a documented trend of criminals in high tourism areas targeting tourists in rental cars because since only Florida issued permits they felt it was a safer target. That led to rental car companies removing the stickers with the rental companies names from cars and many states stopped issuing special rental car plates at the request of the companies after this trend got some publicity.

That has largely passed now. Because things have changed. Back then only Florida issued permits so it was a safe bet tourists were not armed. Now the environment has changed and almost every state issued permits and Florida allows reciprocity to most states, so there is no more safety in targeting tourists.

The data and trends have changed a bunch since 1990 when that was a thing in Florida.

Florida came down hard on people targeting them. I'm bringing up how folks with out-of-state plates are not treated with the same courtesy on the roads, as when driving vehicles with in-state plates on them.

You are seriously paranoid lol.

Good you're staying out of the state.

Thank you.

Don't make the family suffer!

But fuck it.

Just because our governor and majority of the legislature are morons doesn't mean there's nothing worth visiting here.

Sheesh.

maybe Eric the pathetic Trump will try to shoot himself some non-human democrats and claim their existence threatens him.

Just in writing that made me think that there is little doubt someone will try to shoot a Muslim and claim they are threatened by them by their existence.

Good gawd, Florida

I am so fricking glad we did not get that loan...and I bet my bottom dollar it was because we were a MIXED COUPLE...

When Obama was president, the red necks who would be our neighbor didn't look so threatening...now they could be murderers and claim "stand your ground"

We'd be dead...who would be on OUR side?

More people who will oust the jackasses and replace them with people who will fix this.

My husband and I moved here to help make Florida blue. There was no hope for Indiana.

I live in and love Florida. You make it sound like we are Beruit in the 80s. I live in a middle class neighborhood in the orlando area. Lots of mixed couples. No crosses being burnt in yards and no one being run out town for being a liberal. And some of our neighbors are rednecks.

I am more concerned when visiting my wife's family in lilly white rural Indiana. Those people have lost touch with the rest of the world.

I haven't seen such nonsense in a long time.

I feel the same.

Lots of tension, lots of good ole boying where I live.

LOL!

They have their deep state. We have our deep, deep state.

I imagine you are talking areas like Moon Lake in Pasco and a lot of Putnam County specially around Rodman reservior. Florida has just about everything.

I'm on the East side of Orlando and ditto. Lots of my neighbors are liberal.

We have lots of interracial couple and children where I live, lots of them out with their grandparents. Avoid North Florida, except for Tallahassee and Jacksonville proper and avoid some of the counties between Orange County and Tampa/St. Pete and the ones north between Fort Lauderdale and Orange County, including the WestCoast in that stretch, most of the racist idiots live in those places.

and the fact that all was good till my husband talked to the agent...suddenly the company doing the loan wanted info going back many years...though we were accepted on what we made now, they used our past income against us!

I think it was prejudice...now I'm glad...especially their new laws about 'stand your ground'

College town, housing reasonably affordable and you have an easy drive to the coast, Tallahassee is better in that regard. Pensacola has lots of people from Mississippi working there, especially in real estate, avoid looking there.

We have a joke for a gov. He got away with the biggest Medicare fraud in US history. He didn't help when we had the water issue last year and the water was glowing green and toxic from the run off from Big Sugar. He is in the pockets of big sugar and now this.

When it comes to governors, I feel your pain. We gave the country Mike Pence. If/When Trump is impeached, Pence will NOT be an improvement. Granted he's vile in a different way, but still vile.

I was so glad that he didn't run for Governor again and thought him running w/Trump would finish him off. Wrong. So wrong.


As a sidebar, I hope that the scourge of GOP governors ends soon......

Twice then there must very few states you will visit.

Oh well. Your loss. This is a beautiful state. Especially outside the tourist areas.

Just give the dems and indies a heads-up.

I guess some find it cathartic to have someone to attack.

I live in NJ. Do you know the shit thrown at NJ at DU because Christie won twice? Don't take it personally. They aren't writing about you. Like me - you are one of the good ones.

I love these type threads where someone gets all high and mighty about what they're boycotting this week.

Hilarious.

Florida won't miss them.

Under the US justice system, the prosecution already has the burden of proof for every required element of a crime. In Florida as elsewhere.

It's not that this may not be significant, but in some cases it will have no effect at all. In some cases it may lead to defendants not being tried where otherwise they would have been.

but as a matter of principle, I've crossed as little of it as possible on I-40 even when I-10 might have shaved a few miles off. OK wasn't much better but at least it wasn't Texas.

For the kind of money the OP might have spent on passes, rental cars, and convenient hotels, s/he might as well run the numbers to see if taking the whole bunch to the Bahamas might be cheaper.

But we are a fact based community and expect post to reflect that. My state of Florida has a murder rate of around five citizens per hundred thousand. And you recommend that a fellow DU member take their family to the Bahamas because Florida is too dangerous now. And because Republicans are bad and we should teach those stupid voters a lesson.

The Bahamas have a murder rate of almost 30 per 100,000 people. So you are recommending that a DU member take the family to a place where they have a six times higher chance of being murdered. Because Florida is now too dangerous

That's a hell of a way to make a statement against a republican governor

and your argument is with the OP, not me.

You know both of those facts. Now act of them.

The law is bad why? Makes Florida more dangerous, right? Otherwise it would not be a bad law, correct?

I do not support the law but doubt it will be used much. Mainly criminals killing criminals when things go bad. So a bad law.

But to me, recommending that because Florida had a bad law that makes the state potentially more dangerous he should insteadm go to a place 6x more dangerous than Florida is nonsense.

Had you suggested France I would have kindly agreed

Especially when piling on the south.

Ignore them. They're jealous.

Not that it really matters since apparently you're boycotting us now, but whatever.

when she was dx'ed with early alzheimer's. We visited the Hungarian friend who had helped my parents escape Hungary at the end of WWII - living in Sarasota and whom she hadn't seen since the late 40's. Stayed out on the end of Lido Key in a motel that was stretched across the sand (Helmsley?), single story, like the ones of my youth when we would visit FL - no highrises for us! Enjoyed the Ringling Museum - that was an unexpected treat.

St Augustine was a joy - had been a long time - and of course the amazing Everglades. Some panhandle. Wonderful wonderful spots in between, staying with friends in Naples.

I did miss mountains, and when on a walk saw a mound, ran and jumped on top of it joking that I was finally back on a hill ... but ... ow! Fire ant hill! Stupid tourist

A memorable, soulful trip - we had a blast. Thanks for allowing me to reminisce about time in your state.

Did not go near Orlando!

What a beautiful and wonderful adventure, and gift for both you and mom.

Meeting up with her Hungarian friend must've been very emotional. A visit that took a long time to happen. A lot of heartfelt memories in that visit, I bet.

I lived in Florida (Miami) for nearly 20 years. I was never truly happy there. I returned to Michigan close to 10 years ago, and am so happy to be in my beautiful home state.

wouldn't work for me either - esp since I've been living on the CA Central Coast (mountains and sea!) for nearly 40 years now. I need green and hills. The sea is a bonus.

Never been to Michigan, but what a gorgeous state from all the photos I've seen - reminding me of the things I loved about Western NC.

It was paradise. I love your state. Ignore the assholes.

This legislation is so bad not sure people here know that this legislation passed. Get out dems and vote some of them out who passed this vote to crazy Gov Scott who by the way is planning on running for senate (rumor has it).

Fantastic place.

Always blue. But ya know?no way does a political party determine where I live.

to participate in almost everything and have fun, not just watch others having fun.

BTW, have you ever been to Disney World?

I had a wonderful time when I went there about 10 years ago.

Too bad it's in Florida. I'm near Disneyland and it's great, but DW has so much more to it.

Sorry, just my opinion.

the reason many people go to disney world often has to do with convenience when they have small children.

...and not only in government.
The old profile of the dumb redneck isn't the primary cause either, although they do exist plentifully here.
More distressing is the relocated retired civil servants from the North. These people are painfully idiotic, are very similar to the current WH occupant, and will have be tolerated until attrition takes its' toll.
This is the O'Reilly crowd, blissfully careening through life on a golf cart while they keep electing right-wing lunatics to the State House and Senate - and Governor of all things.
Clearly, these republican cretins are "new" (as Shithead Ryan says) to governing, and it shows.
Less money for public schools, no health care, corporate welfare and no oversight for the environment.
All this brought to you by people who personally benefited from labor unions and liberal policies. Not much hope for this place anymore.

California is a far better vacation destination. With San Diego being the best part of the state. Sunny and in the Seventies during summer. No high humidity and bugs. Much cleaner beaches. And even our people with necks colored red are so much less neckish then the south.

But WDW is better IMO. A matter of
Personal preference, of course

And our oranges are better.

And I'm forever perplexed by the ridiculous overreaction to humidity by west coasters.

But on the other hand, California's avocados are better than Florida's. And by a lot, too.

And your befuddlement aside, I have to argue that humidity is the work of Satan. I'm just not participating in anything that involves excessive humidity. Having said that, Florida is the least humid of all the southern states. It's really only humid in the narrow center bit. Stick to the edges! That's my motto.

is--inexplicably--perturbed by some refreshingly brisk and invigorating ocean water, one can always wear a wetsuit, and cuddle up next to a bonfire after the swim.

So yes, California is utterly superior to all other states (nay, all other nations, planets, universes, parallel realities, or alternate timelines) in every possible respect. Q.E.D.

And keeps things green.

And nothing that a trip to the pool or an ocean that doesn't require a wetsuit can't solve. :p

overrated; golden hills and a dusty desert palette are what the human eye naturally craves.


On the other hand, the CA/DL option may not be ideal for the OP either - haven't seen this headline from FL/WDW yet:

Disneyland visitors are peppered with poop near the Sleeping Beauty Castle

So I guess there are arguments both ways...

Accident? Roll up your windows, do not get out of the car, and call police immediately on cell phone, You might get shot. Cut off by another driver? Same. Roll up windows, and get away as fast as possible. Do NOT say anything to them. You might get shot.

Cut in front of you on a line? LET them. Do not argue. Basically, be one step ahead of a potentially lethal situation, and do not open your mouth, because you will never know who you might encounter.

This was my philosophy, even as an old woman, living in Florida before this new law. We moved out 6 months ago. I never expected my age and gender to protect me from a crazy.

...not saying the SYG laws don't suck here--they most definitely do--but let's not go to the point of hyperbole, please.

It's not Mogadishu.

Because from what most people are saying it seems like I was safer driving the Sunni triangle than I would be driving in Florida.

Only been to Florida for one day due to an airline mistake. It was hot, humid but not as bad as some other climates I have seen. We would like to bring the kids down in the next couple of years. We do Disney World of course but plan to spend more time seeing other attractions around the state.

And recommend you spend less time watching tv and reading social media.

Living in Florida is not reason to live in fear. Unless like all states you are forced to live in economically oppressed areas.

Crazy woman right in my former gated, guarded development, majority Seniors. All the neighbors were talking about it. I did not need to put on the TV to hear all about it.

Few streets down from my house a 68 year old woman shot her 72 year old invalid husband in his wheelchair. Then went around shooting up her entire house. What the hell is all that noise? Fireworks?

Her family and friends said she was afraid of burglars and slept with a gun under her pillow. This was not a high crime area. Naples, Florida.

Of course, crazy woman who just snapped. However, minus that gun her husband would still be alive. Did she really NEED to be armed? NO. There hadn't been any break ins in that development the entire 10 years we lived there.

Who is a crazy and who isn't? No way to know that. Better to have fewer, not more, people armed.

Why punish them and their employees?

It's a large gesture that's designed to get a lot of attention.

That's my take on it, anyway.

Other than a few in his social media the biggest effect it will have is ruining his kids' summer vacation.
If he'd like it to be even more disappointing for them, the world's largest ball of twine is in Cawker City, Kansas. Make the pilgrimage.

P. S. Disney is a billion-dollar corporation.

The obvious solution is dealing with voter apathy among democrats. If we get the large majority to vote, republicans would have no answer.

You know in the last midterms only 17% of 18-29 year olds and 21% of Hispanics voted. Kinda hard to see that as a democracy, more like a self imposed oligarchy.

There are 36 US states that have some form of a "stand your ground" law, and the burden should be on the prosecution to prove that it was invoked incorrectly.

Namely sports tournaments.

If it's not well organized, though, no one's going to care.

Without Disney we might already be an open carry state.

First large business in Florida and one of the first in the nation to offer same sex benefits back in the 90's. Got the baptist in such a tizzy the tried a boycott.

The thought was, great less bigots in the parks!

What a pit.

Haven't been since.

Never going again...

It isn't "a pit."

What a disgusting comment.

However, it is an honor system. There are no searches or metal detectors. We have been to MLB Spring Training games where we were searched and had to go through Metal Detectors.

Maybe Disney can take a cue from MLB?

For over seven years now
Disney world has had security check points and
Metal detectors before you get to the turnstiles

Not too long ago
A man had a gun in his waist and the metal dectector
Found it
He fought with the guards
And was arrested
Disney has lot of security

Although I agree with hitting Florida in the pocketbook
Don't be afraid of Disney, if you're staying on property, they have a lot of security

Disneyworld has been using metal detectors since 2011. Prior that they did a bag search. My family has had nothing but good times at Disneyworld. We are vacation club members and have always been treated well. I hate what Florida has become under Bush and Scott.

It started a couple of years ago. It's "random" who has to go through them, but...they know what they're looking for.

And, of course, there are cameras literally everywhere. They do face/clothing recognition, the whole nine yards (lots of missing kids).

Than most countries..

Not only is it bad form but it wrecks your credibility in the future.

I know for a sure and certain fact that Guest at Disney go through metal detectors. And the biometric system is state of the art.

It would be more difficult getting a gun into a Disney park than the Airport.

And Disney no longer allows off duty LEOs to keep their firearms. They provide lockers for them outside the park.

Metal detectors and bag checks at every monorail entrance. Multiple bag check and metal detectors at park entrances. Checkpoints at resort bus stops, too

http://www.themeparktourist.com/news/20160615/32008/security-changes-disney-parks

Yet one more reason not to go.

My primary reason, of course, that it's never held the slightest bit of interest for me.

I get that some people love the fantasy, but still.

and over the top comments directed to my native state and the one I was born in. I would think this crowd would not be one that painted with such broad brushes. Florida is not a red state but is a swing state and I am hopeful there are signs we will pick up the governors mansion and a bunch of seats in the state legislature and US house.