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Oh I think us "common" lower-income people fully understand... (Original Post) ProfessionalLeftist Jul 2012 OP
They did it for their Governor in WI, why not for their President? teddy51 Jul 2012 #1
It sure does appear that way doesn't it.... All the local T.V. stations gave thousands of dollars of midnight Jul 2012 #2
Koch bucks plus Rove strategy flamingdem Jul 2012 #18
And that's so different than $40K a plate. Face it, both parties/candidates are being bought. Lionessa Jul 2012 #3
But...but... SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #4
Obama is being outspent 3 or 4 to one.... ProfessionalLeftist Jul 2012 #10
Then don't choose things that are so equivalent as these two are. Lionessa Jul 2012 #20
There are those of us that are low income and educated, too treestar Jul 2012 #5
Yep. +1 neeksgeek Jul 2012 #7
No man should be so rich he has nothing left to buy but his government. aquart Jul 2012 #6
I bet you would like the late Louisiana Senator Huey P Long AJTheMan Jul 2012 #9
Yep. aquart Jul 2012 #22
I understand well enough to not vote for the people who put us in this mess in the first place! nt AJTheMan Jul 2012 #8
+10000000 n/t ProfessionalLeftist Jul 2012 #11
Many of us aren't as stupid as they think we are and know EXACTLY what they're up to... Raine Jul 2012 #12
Certainly... MrMickeysMom Jul 2012 #13
Yeah this "common person" understands........ socialist_n_TN Jul 2012 #14
I think we understand more then anyone Marrah_G Jul 2012 #15
Imagine what and the GOP would do for the Kochs if Romney won. Kablooie Jul 2012 #16
"America as fascist dictatorship" ProfessionalLeftist Jul 2012 #17
I know Obama caters to Wall Street but he's not indentured to them. Kablooie Jul 2012 #19
Yes he has to walk an interesting tightrope ProfessionalLeftist Jul 2012 #21

midnight

(26,624 posts)
2. It sure does appear that way doesn't it.... All the local T.V. stations gave thousands of dollars of
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 10:27 PM
Jul 2012

free air time to Walker too... The Koch boys thought of everything...

flamingdem

(39,316 posts)
18. Koch bucks plus Rove strategy
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 12:29 AM
Jul 2012

We might see a stolen election, and lose the Senate.

It's hard to imagine but ... $$$$$$$$ is an issue

 

Lionessa

(3,894 posts)
3. And that's so different than $40K a plate. Face it, both parties/candidates are being bought.
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 10:35 PM
Jul 2012

It's unfortunately now the American way. And when Obama's nut falls behind, instead saying, "hey we'll win w/out it", he suggests people opt out of their wedding gifts and suggest donations to his campaign instead.

Yes, Obama is certainly the only logical choice, but we should be careful with the whole pot meet kettle conundrum, imo.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/11/george-clooney-obama_n_1508850.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/8334-503544_162-57459110-503544/obama-campaign-soliciting-birthday-wedding-gifts-in-fundraising-ploy/

ProfessionalLeftist

(4,982 posts)
10. Obama is being outspent 3 or 4 to one....
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 11:22 PM
Jul 2012

...by Kochs/KKKarl Rove/Adelson et al. thanks to Citizens United.

I'm sure the equivalency argument can be made and likely will be made, but not so sure it can be truthfully (equally for want of a better word) applied when we're discussing powerful, moneyed interests trying to buy themselves a government.

I think George Clooney probably has much less money than the Kochs. But I could be wrong.

neeksgeek

(1,214 posts)
7. Yep. +1
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 11:16 PM
Jul 2012

I'm educated, smart, got the test scores and degrees (along with the student loans) to prove it. And out of the past 36 months, I've worked a total of maybe 9 months, all at or well below $10 an hour, and all temporary/seasonal/part-time. Getting tired of hearing about how people like me are dragging the economy down.

AJTheMan

(288 posts)
9. I bet you would like the late Louisiana Senator Huey P Long
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 11:22 PM
Jul 2012

In my opinion, he's the most liberal person to have ever served in government. He was actually to the left of FDR and opposed him for being too conservative.

From Wikipedia:

The key planks of the Share The Wealth platform included:

1. No person would be allowed to accumulate a personal net worth of more than 300 times the average family fortune, which would limit personal assets to between $5 million and $8 million. A graduated capital levy tax would be assessed on all persons with a net worth exceeding $1 million.
2. Annual incomes would be limited to $1 million and inheritances would be capped at $5 million.
3. Every family was to be furnished with a homestead allowance of not less than one-third the average family wealth of the country. Every family was to be guaranteed an annual family income of at least $2,000 to $2,500, or not less than one-third of the average annual family income in the United States. Yearly income, however, cannot exceed more than 300 times the size of the average family income.
4. An old-age pension would be made available for all persons over 60.
5. To balance agricultural production, the government would preserve/store surplus goods, abolishing the practice of destroying surplus food and other necessities due to lack of purchasing power.
6. Veterans would be paid what they were owed (a pension and healthcare benefits).
7. Free education and training for all students to have equal opportunities in all schools, colleges, universities, and other institutions for training in the professions and vocations of life.
8. The raising of revenue and taxes for the support of this program was to come from the reduction of swollen fortunes from the top, as well as for the support of public works to give employment whenever there may be any slackening necessary in private enterprise.

Raine

(30,540 posts)
12. Many of us aren't as stupid as they think we are and know EXACTLY what they're up to...
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 11:27 PM
Jul 2012

They not only want to keep every bit of "their" stuff but now they want all of ours too and actually resent that we don't just turn it over to them.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
15. I think we understand more then anyone
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 11:42 PM
Jul 2012

We are effected more then any other group. We have no disposable income. When OUR income goes down, or prices go up, WE feel it. Not our savings or retirement funds or our investments feeling it, WE feel it.

Kablooie

(18,638 posts)
16. Imagine what and the GOP would do for the Kochs if Romney won.
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 12:04 AM
Jul 2012

They would be completely beholden to them and would do any little thing they asked for.

America as fascist dictatorship.

ProfessionalLeftist

(4,982 posts)
17. "America as fascist dictatorship"
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 12:25 AM
Jul 2012

That's exactly what we will become if Rmoney is successfully bought by these guys. And that's no over-dramatization or over-statement. We're almost that now but it's still reversible (maybe). But if Rmoney becomes their bought-and-paid-for stooge, we're done. And the United States will officially and irreversibly (at least in our or our children's lifetimes) be a true fascist dictatorship by every definition of the phrase.

The Kochs and the Adelsons and their ilk will be happy fat clams. The rest of us will be screwed to degrees we've not yet begun to imagine.

IMO, that's what's at stake here.

Oh yea we say that every election. I've seen such sentiments on DU before and I've been here since 2001 (previously under another name). But now, well, there's no turning back from a Romney "presidency". There will be no undoing insurmountable damage that would be piled on top of what GWB already did and which Obama has only begun to undo.

And there's the Supreme Court appointments to consider as well.

EDIT: I think we fully understand what's going on. All too well.

Kablooie

(18,638 posts)
19. I know Obama caters to Wall Street but he's not indentured to them.
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 02:39 AM
Jul 2012

My impression is that first, when he was new, there was some naïveté so he trusted the 1% a little too much. Since then he's become more savvy but still he has to tread carefully because he needs some support from them in order to accomplish any of his goals.

The fact that many of the 1% focus on him as the devil incarnate means he's not their lacky no matter what our impressions of his policies are.

ProfessionalLeftist

(4,982 posts)
21. Yes he has to walk an interesting tightrope
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 12:18 PM
Jul 2012

Or at least he thinks he does. I keep hoping the bankster criminals will be "hoisted upon their own petard" as the saying goes, with one of these seemingly endless scandals/criminal activities that keep surfacing. Derivatives, LIBOR, JPMorgan, etc.

And then there's Mittens and his tax evasion schemes. And the Kochs/Roves/Adelsons don't even bother trying to hide it anymore. Why should they since their criminal government purchase programs have essentially been legalized by a corporate clown court? Like Mittens said: "it's perfectly legal" - doesn't mean it's ethical or moral or that things should be done this way ie: just because you can doesn't mean you should.

But then we all know who writes the laws and runs things, don't we? The 1% - and it's all done for their own benefit.

There is no equivalent to Citizens United and the 4 to one spending going on for Republicans / Mittens - on the Dem side. There just isn't.

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