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Atman

(31,464 posts)
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 12:40 PM Jun 2017

George Will just ripped Trumpsky to shreds.

He says they've done tax reform. No they haven't, he put out a one-page outline.

He says they've done infrastructure. Not they haven't, they've put out an idea with no way to fund it.

Over and over, Will pointed out that Trumpsky has done NOTHING. He just makes speeches.

Wow. Who'd have ever thought I'd agree with George Will?

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George Will just ripped Trumpsky to shreds. (Original Post) Atman Jun 2017 OP
K&R... spanone Jun 2017 #1
K&R! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2017 #2
we know that hell has officially frozen over when george is making sense. niyad Jun 2017 #3
I know. It's hard to believe that I actually agree with George Will. SharonAnn Jun 2017 #35
makes my skin crawl niyad Jun 2017 #49
Slight late in life conversion duly noted BUT Golden Raisin Jun 2017 #4
I doubt any life conversion, he is a pure conservative period MiddleClass Jun 2017 #5
And they all helped to pave the way for Trump LiberalLovinLug Jun 2017 #11
I see the irony every interview MiddleClass Jun 2017 #19
I wish it were so hibbing Jun 2017 #14
The Senate will be almost impossible in 2018 NewJeffCT Jun 2017 #16
They can call that a draw all they want, but ... dawg Jun 2017 #45
Never underestimate MFM008 Jun 2017 #51
They are very far from collapse MiddleClass Jun 2017 #20
What far liberal ideas in the late 70s and 80s? hibbing Jun 2017 #22
Busing kicked into high gear in the mid-seventies MiddleClass Jun 2017 #25
george will is still a conservative. he just hates trump JI7 Jun 2017 #32
Where did Mr. Will say these things? PJMcK Jun 2017 #6
Some MSNBC program today. Atman Jun 2017 #13
My new sayng is: As a Conservative, when you lose louis-t Jun 2017 #7
Yeah - but the republican party is not driven by conservatives anymore... CincyDem Jun 2017 #27
DING DING DING!!! BobTheSubgenius Jun 2017 #37
Old quote from Adlai Stevenson NewJeffCT Jun 2017 #46
When will they wake up? DownriverDem Jun 2017 #8
Everything legislative right now is Pence MiddleClass Jun 2017 #23
They never planned on Pence gaining the Presidency LiberalLovinLug Jun 2017 #30
It was all Democrats in the beginning with Watergate NewJeffCT Jun 2017 #47
Surely the apocalypse is at hand... Moral Compass Jun 2017 #9
No wonder... jaxind Jun 2017 #10
Link please? orangecrush Jun 2017 #12
Yes I would karynnj Jun 2017 #15
Unfortunately not fooled Jun 2017 #17
And he isn't the only one. leftyladyfrommo Jun 2017 #18
I posted this on DailyKos yesterday, but it bears repeating NewJeffCT Jun 2017 #48
It's good for conservatives to call out this bullshit artist IronLionZion Jun 2017 #21
I've agreed with George Will PatSeg Jun 2017 #24
Will is one of those few older conservatives left Warpy Jun 2017 #26
Just shows you how bad Trump is, if George Will hates you. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #28
piss on george will anyway KG Jun 2017 #29
He writes about baseball, too. Those are pretty good. SusanaMontana41 Jun 2017 #31
I know! I love George Will now! coeur_de_lion Jun 2017 #33
Will spent his career trying to add a veneer of decency to the Republican Party. He can STHU now. WinkyDink Jun 2017 #34
interestingly, that's what all the republicans were predicting about obama. unblock Jun 2017 #36
As we say in my part of the country, TomSlick Jun 2017 #38
we're at this place in history partially due to his brand of irresponsible "journalism" in the past diva77 Jun 2017 #39
K&R Scurrilous Jun 2017 #40
I'll take what I can get. anniebelle Jun 2017 #41
Not I. They are simply recognizing that Trump can hurt their Pence, Ryan, McConnell Evil Agenda. WinkyDink Jun 2017 #42
He doesn't even make speeches, or at least coherent ones. MoonRiver Jun 2017 #43
Georgy-Porgy is trying to save a shred of the party's dignity and respect. It's a losing battle. Nitram Jun 2017 #44
Guess maybe trump just stunk up the joint too badly even for George Will's delicate sensibilities. calimary Jun 2017 #50

Golden Raisin

(4,614 posts)
4. Slight late in life conversion duly noted BUT
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 12:53 PM
Jun 2017

does not negate the previous 76 years of Will's being a conservative, pompous, bloviating, condescending, full-of-himself, know-it-all blowhard who loved the sound of his own voice lecturing the lowly unwashed.

MiddleClass

(888 posts)
5. I doubt any life conversion, he is a pure conservative period
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 01:09 PM
Jun 2017

He knows Donny, two scoops, is not a conservative, and bringing the Republican Party down in flames.

Right now, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Those type conservatives, never Trumpers, have no media outlet. Thus, MSNBC, CNN

George Will,
David Frum
Jennifer Rubin,
Charlie Sykes,
William Kristol

all conservative never trumps watching the Republican Party and Paul Ryan, going down in flames.

They will be there to pick up the pieces on the Republican Party after the collapse

LiberalLovinLug

(14,176 posts)
11. And they all helped to pave the way for Trump
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 02:33 PM
Jun 2017

With years of demonizing the Democratic party, and fomenting the myth that it was Republicans that were the most fiscally responsible, and most capable of fighting the war on terror etc...even thought their records failed to support that. George Will was particularly smarmy when talking about any Democrat.

MiddleClass

(888 posts)
19. I see the irony every interview
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 03:46 PM
Jun 2017

The outrage by these imbeciles from Bush Senior until the end of Obama was breathtaking.

With no relation to the facts and not being intellectually honest,

they are upset at what came to be after they laid the groundwork that allowed the liar in chief do slip right in to the White House.

The seeds of fake news, inflated opinion of one's righteousness, big money makes might.

It's ironic that it got away from them and Donald Trump slipstreamed right to the White House.

Like Kennedy said: ride the tiger to victory, sure enough, you will end up inside

hibbing

(10,109 posts)
14. I wish it were so
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 02:45 PM
Jun 2017

The party is far from collapsing. They control the vast majority of statehouses, and with gerrymandering and voter suppression it will be a heavy lift to gain control of either house again.


Peace

NewJeffCT

(56,829 posts)
16. The Senate will be almost impossible in 2018
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 03:04 PM
Jun 2017

Republicans have only 8 seats to defend, Democrats have to defend 25, including 10 in states that Trump won. Not losing any ground should be considered a huge victory. If Democrats regain the House - which is a lot more plausible, despite gerrymandering - and pick up 1 seat in the Senate, the media will still say that it was a draw from Trump since Democrats didn't win back both chambers... neglecting the near impossible odds in the Senate.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
45. They can call that a draw all they want, but ...
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 10:08 AM
Jun 2017

Democratic control of the House would stop the Republican agenda in its tracks.

MiddleClass

(888 posts)
20. They are very far from collapse
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 04:02 PM
Jun 2017

But when it happens (like a saying I heard the other day about it).

It takes ages to happen, but when it does you say "I can't believe that happened so fast"

in politics, the fastest thing to bring down a ruling party is hubris, when the public sour on you, it happens across the board.

Democrats ran the country from the thirties through the early nineties, before they started pushing far liberal ideas in the late seventies early eighties.

Republicans control a vast amount of state houses and now the middle class know that they are just for the rich, and now maybe the Russians, when it turns it will turn hard.

MiddleClass

(888 posts)
25. Busing kicked into high gear in the mid-seventies
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 05:02 PM
Jun 2017

By the late seventies, Reagan Democrats were sick and tired of everything related to affirmative action.

I'm not arguing the merits the need of such a policy, just the political reality from where elections have consequences.

I remember the Reagan revolution, Willie Horton, Bush Senior, and was part of the "new way" Clinton Democrats.

I spent many years researching why and how Republicans despite being financially irresponsible, deficit monsters, got peoples vote because they were known as something they absolutely weren't.

No good deed goes unpunished in politics, look at Obama care, great idea, what was possible, what got done, and how bad we have been punished.

PJMcK

(22,052 posts)
6. Where did Mr. Will say these things?
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 01:14 PM
Jun 2017

I looked but couldn't find them. Do you have a link?

Thanks.

louis-t

(23,297 posts)
7. My new sayng is: As a Conservative, when you lose
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 01:37 PM
Jun 2017

George Will and Krauthammer, you are pretty much screwed.

CincyDem

(6,390 posts)
27. Yeah - but the republican party is not driven by conservatives anymore...
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 05:24 PM
Jun 2017


...Will and Krauthammer are smart guys. We've disagreed in the past and may in the future but at some level they have the intellectual capability to know burning it all down is not the answer. you can't just be the party of no. I think it was actually Will who said "you can not govern from no".

The problem is that trump's base appears republican but he's tapped into the energy of Lee Atwater's Southern Strategy...whatever bad is happening to white folk...it's minorities to blame. As long as Trump can keep the inertia of blame focused on "the others", it doesn't matter if he loses every republican with a brain.

That's what we're up against.

The biggest error we've made is to believe that the Civil War and eventual Civil Rights Act diminished white supremacy. If anything, it's been stoked.

Must win 2018...must win.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,571 posts)
37. DING DING DING!!!
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 10:05 PM
Jun 2017

Lee Atwater. You can lay so much of the current hate and chaos right at that wretch's feet.

Did you know he was spinning right to his dying day? Wrote letters to, among others, Dukakis and Turnipseed, both of whom he roasted alive during campaigns. Told them that he had seen the light, as opposed to being blinded by greed and lust for power for so long....yada yada yada. Said he gained great insight and spiritual strength from his conversion to Catholicism and his copy of the Living Bible.

Later, Mary Matalin was one of the people that helped clean up his possessions and whatnot, and said that she found his oh-so-helpful Bible still in its plastic wrapper, never opened.

A lying POS right to the end.

NewJeffCT

(56,829 posts)
46. Old quote from Adlai Stevenson
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 11:18 AM
Jun 2017

A woman told him that he had the vote of "every thinking person"

His response was classic Stevenson, "That's not enough, madam, I need a majority!"

DownriverDem

(6,232 posts)
8. When will they wake up?
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 02:00 PM
Jun 2017

During Watergate it was both repubs and Dems that brought down Nixon. The repub loyalty is way stronger now. What will it take for current repubs to do the right thing? If they start praising pence, that will be a good indication that they are leaving trump. pence is a radical religious RWNJ repub. Don't think he'll be better.

MiddleClass

(888 posts)
23. Everything legislative right now is Pence
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 04:35 PM
Jun 2017

During Watergate, the Democrats controlled the House and Senate

Like Kasich said when he was offered the vice presidency.

You can control the domestic policy, you can control the foreign policy, do you accept the vice presidency.

Kasich: "what will you be doing?"

Donald Trump: "making America great again"

LiberalLovinLug

(14,176 posts)
30. They never planned on Pence gaining the Presidency
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 07:21 PM
Jun 2017

He was merely there to get the evangelical vote. Most Republicans are only pretend Christians. Its money they worship. They would be aghast at the idea of that cult having such influence. Wasn't it during Bush's term, when he appointed some evangelical leader to run a new department, and he later complained that fellow Republicans were whispering behind his back calling him and his evangelicals "the crazies"?

Yes here it is:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/oct/14/usa.midterms2006

A former senior presidential aide has accused the Bush administration of using evangelical Christians to win votes but then privately ridiculing them once in office. The allegations by David Kuo, the former deputy director of the White House office of faith-based initiatives, come at a devastating time, when the administration is counting on born-again Christians to vote in sufficient numbers to save the Republicans' hold on Congress in the November elections.

In a book entitled Tempting Faith: an Inside Story of Political Seduction, to be published on Monday, Mr Kuo portrays the Bush White House's commitment to evangelical causes as little more than a cynical facade designed to win votes.

"National Christian leaders received hugs and smiles in person and then were dismissed behind their backs and described as ridiculous, out of control, and just plain goofy," Mr Kuo wrote

NewJeffCT

(56,829 posts)
47. It was all Democrats in the beginning with Watergate
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 11:21 AM
Jun 2017

not until the leaks started adding up and Nixon was heard on tape saying "uh huh" to doing something illegal did Republicans finally start coming out against Nixon.

And, back then, Democrats had larger majorities in both the House & Senate than Republicans have now.

Moral Compass

(1,526 posts)
9. Surely the apocalypse is at hand...
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 02:20 PM
Jun 2017

First the Cubs win the World Series and now I often find myself in agreement with George Will. Surely this means the coming of the end of days.

jaxind

(1,074 posts)
10. No wonder...
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 02:33 PM
Jun 2017

No wonder at the love-fest cabinet round table, tRUMP said he's done more than any more President ever. He really believes that by signing an executive order or just mentioning an agenda, he really believes that it's passed as legislation! Idiot!!

orangecrush

(19,624 posts)
12. Link please?
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 02:42 PM
Jun 2017

There is this, as well...


"Political commentator George Will in his latest column blasts President Trump as someone who is not able to "think and speak clearly."

"It is urgent for Americans to think and speak clearly about President Trump's inability to do either," Will wrote in The Washington Post.

"This seems to be not a mere disinclination but a disability. It is not merely the result of intellectual sloth but of an untrained mind bereft of information and married to stratospheric self-confidence."



https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/homenews/administration/331882-george-will-trump-disabled-by-inability-to-think-speak-clearly%3Famp


Will is a conservative.

He knows Trump is nothing more than a carnival barker.

The enemy of the enemy of the Republic is my friend.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
15. Yes I would
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 02:46 PM
Jun 2017

WI'll is very comservative, but a serious person who sees that all these lies need to be called.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
17. Unfortunately
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 03:28 PM
Jun 2017

Congressional pukes are more focused than the toddler-in-chief and, under pressure from the kochs and their ilk no doubt cooking up tax deform = funneling money upwards. All they have to do is present the finished product to D2S for his mark and the work is done.



Oh, and as far as Will goes: he spent decades laying the groundwork so that this debacle of an administration could come to pass, and now he acts shocked. Too little, too late.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,874 posts)
18. And he isn't the only one.
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 03:37 PM
Jun 2017

Jonah Goldberg of all people. That really surprised me.

And David Brooks has. nothing good to say.

NewJeffCT

(56,829 posts)
48. I posted this on DailyKos yesterday, but it bears repeating
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 11:23 AM
Jun 2017

Republicans only seem to grow a brain and a heart when they’re no longer in Congress or in the employ of somebody in Congress or the administration. Ana Navarro, Jennifer Rubin, Charles Krauthammer, Nicolle Wallace, Steve Schmidt and a few others have been strongly anti-Trump for a while now.

IronLionZion

(45,541 posts)
21. It's good for conservatives to call out this bullshit artist
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 04:04 PM
Jun 2017

It's OK to agree with conservatives on the fact that this shithead has done nothing he's claimed to have done, just like with everything else in his life.

Let's see if he's even a billionaire. Release the tax returns.

PatSeg

(47,613 posts)
24. I've agreed with George Will
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 04:41 PM
Jun 2017

a lot lately. It is such an odd sensation. David Frum too, Bizzarro World!

Warpy

(111,359 posts)
26. Will is one of those few older conservatives left
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 05:06 PM
Jun 2017

who hasn't wandered off into gawd and senility like so many others. He always made a certain amount of sense, he just started off with faulty premises that doomed his reasoning.

That doesn't mean he's incapable of seeing a disaster unfolding in front of him.

Shoot, even Krauthammer has noticed.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
28. Just shows you how bad Trump is, if George Will hates you.
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 06:44 PM
Jun 2017

George Will doesn't just disapprove of a few things. He thinks Trump is unfit for office and a big fat untrustworthy liar, as well as other bad things.

coeur_de_lion

(3,684 posts)
33. I know! I love George Will now!
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 08:10 PM
Jun 2017

One of the few republicans with the guts to contradict Dumpy.

He actually tells the truth!

You see how easily the rethugs can impress us? All they have to do is be honest for two whole minutes!

I hate to admit this but *ush is growing on me too.

What a fucked up world we live in when *ush looks great compared to Dumpy.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
34. Will spent his career trying to add a veneer of decency to the Republican Party. He can STHU now.
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 08:11 PM
Jun 2017

unblock

(52,332 posts)
36. interestingly, that's what all the republicans were predicting about obama.
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 10:01 PM
Jun 2017

remember before he took office, they were complaining about his lack of experience, and that all he was good for was making speeches.

then they turned around and lined up behind someone with zero government experience; and, evidently, no good other experience either.

diva77

(7,659 posts)
39. we're at this place in history partially due to his brand of irresponsible "journalism" in the past
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 11:11 PM
Jun 2017

I'd like to see him dissect his legacy and correct/repent for all of the wrongs

anniebelle

(899 posts)
41. I'll take what I can get.
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 05:54 AM
Jun 2017

Never thought I would agree with anything George Will had to say. I've also noticed even Bill Kristol sounds 'almost reasonable' these days. I truly hope there are still enough repukes that care more for our republic than their pitiful little jobs.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
43. He doesn't even make speeches, or at least coherent ones.
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 07:48 AM
Jun 2017

He just tweets insults at everybody who doesn't agree with him.

calimary

(81,512 posts)
50. Guess maybe trump just stunk up the joint too badly even for George Will's delicate sensibilities.
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 12:22 PM
Jun 2017

Well, better late than never, I guess.

George Will may also not like the idea that trump is making his side of the aisle look pretty doggone horrible.

You damn well better be speaking out against this monster, George. You and everybody else in your tribe who still has an ounce of real (not just feigned) patriotism.

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