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Blue_Adept

(6,402 posts)
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 11:05 AM Jun 2017

165 Days, 154 Mass Shootings

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The archive considers an incident a mass shooting if four or more people are shot, not including the shooter. Some definitions are broader: If the shooter is included in the tally, the number of mass shootings rises to 195. Others are much more narrow: If a mass shooting is defined as four or more victims killed in a public location, excluding robberies and gang violence, the number falls to four.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/14/the-gop-baseball-shooting-is-the-154th-mass-shooting-this-year/
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JoeStuckInOH

(544 posts)
1. "...excluding robberies and gang violence, the number falls to four..."
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 11:23 AM
Jun 2017

So if they're saying basically 150 of these 154 public shooting are crime and/or gang related... Well then that seems disingenuous to me.

Your average citizen and the way the media coverage seems to portrays things - you would think we'd all have to be worried about the next sandy hook or pulse type shooting (crazy gun nutters spraying bullets into crowds). But if almost ALL the shootings are related to criminal enterprises, it seems to me that the whole "mass shooting hysteria" ought to be a whole lot less worrisome. I mean, as a law abiding citizen myself (and most other normal folk)... I don't get involved in drugs/gangs/robberies for good reason. Not getting killed is definitely one of them.

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
2. You cannot say you could never be in a violent robbery
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 11:30 AM
Jun 2017

drugs/gangs, leave them out UNLESS innocent victims are involved...but ANYONE can be a victim in a robbery...innocent customers, for example, and a store employee is innocent also...

 

JoeStuckInOH

(544 posts)
4. Agreed, they need to incidicate which of the shootings mass-targeted innocents
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 11:33 AM
Jun 2017

versus those which both the shooters and targets were criminal in nature.

Which then begs the question, when a Republican Congressmen gets shot doesn't that then classify both the shooter and victim as criminals?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
3. desire to remove valid data points from a demographic is disingenuous as well.
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 11:32 AM
Jun 2017

Seems to me that your desire to remove valid data points from a demographic is disingenuous as well.

 

JoeStuckInOH

(544 posts)
5. Not "remove"... but simply recognize certain statistics dn't apply to me.
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 11:40 AM
Jun 2017

And thusly not worry about them.

Hypothetical example... if 70% of the people in my town develop lung cancer, I'd be very worried about getting cancer myself. If I then found out 95% of those people with lung cancer worked in the local mines (but I was a stenographer)... then I wouldn't be quite so worried about acquiring lung cancer.

So when I hear the media and activist groups harp on "nearly a mass shooting every day" ... I am alarmed. When you tell me that 97.4% of those mass shooting incidents are likely gang/drug/robbery related then I am quite a bit less concerned about myself or an acquaintance becoming a mass shooting victim. because I nor my acquaintances are involved in violent crime.

It matters.

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