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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt looks like Mr. Toad's wild ride is soon to be over.
They will take that motor car away from him, and never let him behind the wheel again. He will be a sadder and wiser Toad--for a while--but we still won't trust him anymore.
Firing Comey did the exact opposite of what he hoped. It triggered the investigation of him by the FBI. When Comey said he wasn't under investigation, that was true--until he fired him. A very suspicious act and no wonder they begain one at that point.
Mueller has a dream team of lawyers. Trump has his old criminal lawyer left over from New York days--the only one he can get!
Interesting days are coming.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,681 posts)Pass the popcorn, would you?
bresue
(1,007 posts)marylandblue
(12,344 posts)ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)Xolodno
(6,398 posts)Disney is going to remove Mr. Toad's Wild Ride at Disneyland... NNNNNOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!11111
Didn't think of that--lol!
panader0
(25,816 posts)lambchopp59
(2,809 posts)At that time, "Roger Rabbit's Cartoon Spin", ruining all that ride's attraction and meaning to me.
Did they eventually revert it to the classic? I figured they had just kept updating it to whatever was the most popular kid's cartoon these days.
Kablooie
(18,638 posts)Buns_of_Fire
(17,191 posts)It'll now be called "Mr. Turd's Wild Ride" and instead of jalopies, you'll be riding in golf carts. The ride's exit will be neatly aligned with the entrance to the Hall of Farts (an "A" ticket), and Ye Olde Cake Shoppe where you can eat yourself into a stupor on Mr. Turd's Beautiful Chocolate Cake ($7.95 a slice, including two scoops of orange sherbet).
ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)Nevernose
(13,081 posts)I was planning on riding it this weekend.
It's one of my favorites. How many other amusement park rides take little kids on a literal tour of hell?
Ms. Toad
(34,086 posts)What did they ever do to you???
luvMIdog
(2,533 posts)canetoad
(17,178 posts)regnaD kciN
(26,045 posts)For those who weren't around the last time this came down -- when the special prosecution into Watergate was completed, Leon Jaworski (who replaced Archibald Cox) determined, to the best of his legal judgment, that a sitting president could not be charged with a crime. Accordingly, the final actions of the prosecution were to charge a number of people in the administration with crimes; Nixon, however, was merely named an "unindicted co-conspirator." And that's where it all would have ended, had not the House Judiciary Committee, under Democratic control, moved and voted articles of impeachment -- something the same committee, now under Republican control, would appear unlikely to do.
Now, things might be different this time. Maybe Mueller will decide that a sitting president *can* be put on trial, and maybe the courts will back him up. But there's also a very good chance of the Watergate scenario playing out at the special counsel level: that Trump might merely be named an unindicted co-conspirator. This time, House Republicans declare themselves "deeply troubled," but do no more. We wind up in a limbo where everyone but the Deplorables know Trump is guilty as sin, but nothing is or can be done about it, and his regime, and their implementation of the Republican agenda, continue as if nothing had happened in the first place.
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)1) Trump gets away with it until mid-terms, then inflamed US voters vote Dem and take the house. Next step: Impeachment
2) Worst case, we indict him in 2020 when he's a private citizen. Assuming the Russians haven't perfected their vote-hacking craft by then.
regnaD kciN
(26,045 posts)1) Yes, if Democrats take control of the House in 2018, we can move ahead with impeachment. But, to convict, we need not just a majority but a supermajority in the Senate. Absent a serious-enough reason for Republicans to abandon Trump in droves, the likely outcome would be a Senate verdict split largely along party lines (see: Clinton, Bill) leaving Trump still in office.
2) This assumes Trump loses in 2020. While that may seem likely based on his current polling numbers, similar numbers last year suggested he would lose, probably in a landslide. Don't underestimate how things can change in four years; all it might take is one dramatic terrorist attack for Americans to rally around the president in a fervor of unquestioning and fear-driven "national unity" (see: Bush, George W.). Also, whether he loses in 2020 or leaves office in 2024, I wouldn't be surprised if even an incoming Democratic administration "magnanimously" opts to not prosecute him, on the grounds that it would "tear the country apart" (once again, see: Bush, George W.).
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)Mueller is investigating so many serious crimes (and has assembled a world-class team of seasoned professionals who quit their high-paying jobs to join this investigation by the way); it's looking more every day as though the final list of provable offenses they'll eventually hand over to congress will pale in comparison to the comparatively quaint perjury and cover-up charges we've seen in the past.
If Mueller's team can provide proof of even half of what they're locking onto, this is going to be historic. Financial crimes, loans from sanctioned Russian banks, obstruction, abuse of power etc.--especially in combination,--will indeed be deemed "serious enough" to force even the current House to take impeachment action or face devastating consequences. It's just a matter of Repubs and deplorables hitting their tipping point.
As for getting re-elected in 2020: Trump's not even 5 months into the job and has the biggest investigation in history working against him. Unless he is exonerated of the vast majority of crimes he's being investigated for (not likely given his propensity to blurt out incriminating statements), he's going down. Even if he does get exonerated, and they get that massive tax-cut for the rich disguised as a "health care bill" passed, by 2020, millions will be without health insurance, and another million health-care workers will be out of work due to Medicaid cuts. There will be anarchy in the streets. Reelection? Not without some serious Russion election rigging.
slumcamper
(1,606 posts)And Jaworski's word is not the final word on anything. I'd argue that he was wrong; wearing the title of "president" does not absolve an individual of the rule of law.The mere fact that the president swears an oath places him squarely within the law--not above and beyond it.
As you rightly note, Mueller may clarify this matter and hold Trump accountable. I also agree that House Republicans will abrogate their responsibility and simply demure, essentially leaving the electorate to "try" this matter in the court of public opinion and at the ballot box...and we all know how reliable that is!
Our party has played far too nice and been largely asleep at the wheel--so welcome to where we are.
regnaD kciN
(26,045 posts)...and get the SCOTUS to agree (which is probably what it would take, as Trump's attorneys would be sure to challenge any indictment on procedural grounds before a trial could take place), the odds are that Republicans would either push Trump to resign or "temporarily" remove him via the 25th Amendment. I can't see how they could allow him to run the country while in the dock or, eventually, in a federal cell.
janterry
(4,429 posts)This is the scenario I fear.....it would debase the law so profoundly, I would think everyone would see us as a broken.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)The way he acts, he might as well wear a sign on his back saying "indict me."
slumcamper
(1,606 posts)BANISH HIM! I hope the children (of whatever future might remain for this nation) don't have to look and give second thought to this bizarre aberration of history!
Shameful and ILLEGITIMATE pretender to the presidency!
Deface every manifestation of his likeness.
That's all.
Wounded Bear
(58,696 posts)C Moon
(12,221 posts)I was just looking at an old 1962 wall map of Disneyland, then I logged into DU and saw this post.
My immediate thought was, "No! I love that ride!"
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Wish I had a buck for every time someone says he's finished.
Simple reality is nothing happens to him with Rs in control of Congress. We need a historic mid term slaughter to even have a shot at getting rid of him, MAYBE in the last year of this term.
And, no sure bet things don't get worse and this dumb as nails country reelects him.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Surely those idiots who voted for him will somehow become aware.
Cosmocat
(14,568 posts)they gleefully hang on to the "but he is better than Hillary" rationale ...
Decades of brainwashing their tribe and the country at large about the evil liberal boogyman.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I'm giving up on this country.
I can't understand these people.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Nothing is going to come of any of this.
We're caught in a downward spiral.
HAB911
(8,911 posts)Drumpfh playing checkers
regnaD kciN
(26,045 posts)...and declare he won.