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An existential need (Original Post) cilla4progress Jun 2017 OP
you know I've been having all those kinds of thoughts and doubts and fears for my progeny luvMIdog Jun 2017 #1
Wow. Beautiful and cilla4progress Jun 2017 #2
hang in there :) luvMIdog Jun 2017 #3
That's really wonderful.Thank you. Keep watering. nolabear Jun 2017 #16
Both of them are likely to continue as long as there are people bhikkhu Jun 2017 #4
I completely agree. cilla4progress Jun 2017 #12
This is a tough week. furtheradu Jun 2017 #5
Wonderful cilla4progress Jun 2017 #13
Here is a book: Ron Green Jun 2017 #6
Interesting! cilla4progress Jun 2017 #15
Exceptionally unlikely. Decoy of Fenris Jun 2017 #7
I'm gonna tell you how it's gonna be Warren DeMontague Jun 2017 #8
+100 kentuck Jun 2017 #9
... Warren DeMontague Jun 2017 #10
Nohin' left to do but smile, smile, smile. nolabear Jun 2017 #17
Oh, that one's gonna be my impeachment day song. Warren DeMontague Jun 2017 #18
"You know what keeps me going? I know I'm right" Warren DeMontague Jun 2017 #11
+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #14

luvMIdog

(2,533 posts)
1. you know I've been having all those kinds of thoughts and doubts and fears for my progeny
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 11:45 PM
Jun 2017

and our country & I have come to this conclusion. Nightmares have happened to others before us and there were great costs , but they did again find a way. Such as Germany, Japan, and many others. Some peoples have not been able to pull themselves out from under the foot of oppression and cruelty. I think we are left with going insane with worry , or taking things one day at a time. Every day I get up in the morning and water my tomato plants. I don't know if some bird will swoop down and eat all my tomatoes , or a rabbit or some other critter, but every day I have the hope I will pick my tomatoes & so I water. None of us know what will happen. If there will be a nuclear war or a dictatorship or what. You know even if every single thing in this country was going great we could still find out tomorrow we have pancreatic cancer or something. All I can do is live now and never forget to tell my kids and grandchildren how much they mean in my life and that I love them. People have been worried about plagues, wars, famine, and cruelty since mankind had it's beginnings I'm sure. I'm sorry I'm not helpful, I just wanted to say I feel that way too and I have to try and pull through it as best I can. (((hug)))

cilla4progress

(24,736 posts)
2. Wow. Beautiful and
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 11:55 PM
Jun 2017

Just what I needed.

I too am fortunate to live close to nature. It gives me needed balance.

This was actually a hopeful post, in view of current events.

bhikkhu

(10,718 posts)
4. Both of them are likely to continue as long as there are people
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 12:35 AM
Jun 2017

...but we chose our side, who we are, what we stand for, how we live. It always makes a difference whether we see it or not.

cilla4progress

(24,736 posts)
12. I completely agree.
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 10:58 AM
Jun 2017

If I'm going down, I'm going down fighting.

And doing "tiny, decent things" every day!

furtheradu

(1,865 posts)
5. This is a tough week.
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 12:40 AM
Jun 2017

I am exhausted. I am looking for Work & a Home.
$ is TIGHT.
Still, I BELIEVE.
In KARMA & Divine Timing.

PS. I have been told :
You can have tomatoes, or LOVE. But not both.
I have also been told :
Nothing is as FAITH FULL as a Gardener.🌱
Keep the Faith! & take CARE of YourSelf 💖

Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
6. Here is a book:
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 02:03 AM
Jun 2017

The Great Turning: From Empire to Earth Community https://www.amazon.com/dp/1887208089/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_m82qzb3PP5X24

A couple of premises: 1) It's only in the last 5000 years - out of the hundreds of thousands in human history - that Empire, supported by an angry sky God, has been the dominant cultural model. When God was a woman, the principles of renewal and care were more to the fore.

2) The largest group of people among the lowest- to highest-consciousness are of course in the middle, the "swing voters" who embrace a social structure but who also have some fear of other cultures. Many of these people, if we're to continue human life on this planet, have got to move into a cultural consciousness that supersedes membership in one's own group to understand that all people, even those with a different world view, are deserving of justice. Our media, working for Empire, of course serve to keep the middle "socialized consciousness" group in fear which turns them toward the "imperial consciousness" of consumerism and a strongman leader.

cilla4progress

(24,736 posts)
15. Interesting!
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 11:03 AM
Jun 2017

Have heard of the book. I love anthropology. Sounds like something I should read! Thank you!

 

Decoy of Fenris

(1,954 posts)
7. Exceptionally unlikely.
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 05:19 AM
Jun 2017

Truth and compassion stem from a benevolent and stable (economically and socially stable, both are required) society, while hatred, division and oppression are fundamental human nature part and parcel with tribalism.

So long as humanity is able to divide itself by race, class and/or religion, hate will almost certainly win.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
11. "You know what keeps me going? I know I'm right"
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 06:31 AM
Jun 2017
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-the-last-nuremberg-prosecutor-alive-wants-the-world-to-know/

Benjamin Ferencz: Well, if it's naive to want peace instead of war, let 'em make sure they say I'm naive. Because I want peace instead of war. If they tell me they want war instead of peace, I don't say they're naive, I say they're stupid. Stupid to an incredible degree to send young people out to kill other young people they don't even know, who never did anybody any harm, never harmed them. That is the current system. I am naive? That's insane.

Ferencz is legendary in the world of international law, and he's still at it. He never stops pushing his message and he's donating his life savings to a Genocide Prevention Initiative at the Holocaust Museum. He says he's grateful for the life he's lived in this country, and it's his turn to give back.

Lesley Stahl: You are such an idealist.

Benjamin Ferencz: I don't think I'm an idealist. I'm a realist. And I see the progress. The progress has been remarkable. Look at the emancipation of woman in my lifetime. You're sitting here as a female. Look what's happened to the same-sex marriages. To tell somebody a man can become a woman, a woman can become a man, and a man can marry a man, they would have said, "You're crazy." But it's a reality today. So the world is changing. And you shouldn't-- you know-- be despairing because it's never happened before. Nothing new ever happened before.
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