That's some scary shit right there

There are hinged violent people out there of all political and non political stripes.

I actually blame the GOP most of all since they preach on about a 2nd amendment solution to government, which just proves they are idiots. Maybe they should receive a Darwin award.

They never stopped to abusive rhetoric like the "lock em up" torches and pitchforks crap. It's part of the reason they supported Hillary- she did not try and gin up anger and divisiveness.

Sick of this all the same crap.

signs, etc.

That started in the primaries.

Especially when I dared to fact check a $hillary post...

And none could really talk about policy, just repeat vague allegations and bring up shit Bill did over 20'years ago.

They drowned out conversations, yet only spewed dostainful sound bites. The angry white dude was given a pedestal and the bullhorn. It was like we didn't exist.

Young white men, and the women who took their power and identity according to the men they supported and associated with.

No question.

Didn't do MORE good. And they hate Trump for undoing much of what Obama did. All the hatred makes them blind.

And the horrible results it's achieved us- starting with Trump. Nothing good came of elevating their concerns.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/LA

Additionally, this guy had a number of prior convictions of domestic abuse, which is what he has in common with almost every other mass shooter out there.

So bottom line, men who abuse often kill. It seems we'd be better served by putting THOSE guys in prison when they abuse and confiscate their guns. Because, fuck the Second Amendment.

about that key phrase in the 2nd Amendment about "a well-regulated militia."

Stop re-fighting lost battles. Move on. Find new candidates that voters like. Listen to youth...they are the future...we are the past.

I am not.

Also I'll post whatever the fuck I feel like posting. I'm not yours to control.

We're with you.

despite the Voting Rights Act expiring in 2013, and the Rethugs successfully suppressing millions of votes.

And she won the popular vote by 2.9 million votes. So this isn't a question of losing because voters didn't like the candidate. We lost because of voter suppression, Russian propaganda, and Comey's letter bombs.

And whoever we run in 2020 will also be facing voter suppression and Russian propaganda, unless we can find a way to stop this.

Unless they say stupid shit which I know from experience youth often do.

Her post-count could fill a stadium. You've been here just since last fall's election. A little politeness goes a long way with veteran DUers.

But to say that "people on DU are not attacking Bernie" is not true. Or to be diplomatic, many posts and OPs could be construed as an attack on Sanders. Maybe not specifically to blame him for this shooting, which would be quite a stretch anyways, but there are some here that misconstrue his call for the Democratic party to make changes in order to win more in the future, as an attack in and of itself. To me that kind of paranoid defensiveness keeps the party in perpetual paralysis and is debilitating towards progressing forward.

That is why many primary Bernie supporters feel that there is a segment on DU that "are trying to kick out Bernie voters or alienate them". Not the Democratic Party. Warren, Harris, and others are embracing Sanders as an important partner in going forward. It is in here that we have some that seem to genuinely hate the man for daring to give his own critique of the party he has worked for and with closely for over 2 decades. Like even all those years working with them still does not give him the right to speak, unless he wears the proper letter in front of his name. To me it seems petty and counter productive and I don't get it. It may be that some are not as enlightened as yourself and do not think "most Bernie voters are not fringe". Some associate all Bernie supporters as "Bernie Bros" or worse, Jack Pine Radicals, and thus have only contempt and ridicule for the man and anyone that respects him. It may be lingering resentment towards him still for simply running against Hillary in the primary, I really don't know.

While I respect your right to post 'whatever the fuck you want' and rightly to reject anyone here trying to control your posts, you must realize (I hope) that your initial post did, in fact, 'poke the bear.' Let me explain: I was a fervent Sanders supporter, but yes, did support Clinton when Sanders lost.

And that support wasn't just lip service. It was support with both time and money.

But perspective is everything, and my perspective is that the initial post you made WAS in fact an attack on Bernie. Just the fact you did the post in the first place is what constituted the attack.

That said, I had to look up those two people to whom you referred. That Nikkon lady and the other guy? I have no idea who those people even are. The Nikkon lady often appears with the Young Turks, which explains why I don't know her, because I'm just not a video guy. I'm a print guy. So, when I go on like CNN or the Hill, Fox or HP, I always mute/pause the video they try and cram down your throat and actually read the article. I really hate those videos. Not a big You Tube guy either, except for home repair.

I didn't support Bernie because of those people anyway. I supported him because I am an economist and I read extensively on his positions. Bernie's positions were great and would have actually made the economy in this nation MUCH stronger. If we routed more of the tax money we pay into this government which is supposedly our government, of, by and for us, the people, to programs like Medicare for all Americans, strengthening Social Security, and much more heavily subsidizing postsecondary education, as well as child care and early childhood education and nutrition, the American people - ALL of us, would be substantially better off.

What I've appreciated, beyond these periodic posts that seem to me to attack Bernie, is that a) the Sanders/Warren wing of the party forced the platform a bit left, b) Tom Perez took on Keith Ellison as DNC co-chair and c) Tom actually went and stumped with Bernie in red states, where they spoke about health care, and other issues that most Americans actually want.

So, seems like we're going the right direction now, but what we've got to focus on, instead of poking the Bernie bear, is negating the voter suppression, and talking about kitchen table issues (health care, child care, making ends meet...basic economic security stuff) much more effectively, and reversing the electoral college through the National Popular Vote initiative, which we are trying to do in my state.

Anyway, good luck with your efforts to support the Dems in your state and local area. We all need it, with 32 governorships, 33 state legislatures and the entire federal government controlled by the Republicans.

The majority of DU'ers like Bernie.

If one disagrees with Bernie's analysis of how the Democratic Party needs to grow stronger, that doesn't mean the person "hates" or is "attacking" Bernie.

It means that person disagrees with Bernie's opinion and has different ideas about what the party needs to do.

It doesn't mean the majority doesn't like Bernie. It means a vocal minority doesn't and is intent to make themselves heard.

I would hope that your last line is true for most. " that person disagrees with Bernie's opinion and has different ideas about what the party needs to do". I'd like to have that debate and hear those alternate ideas. But there usually is no debate. It seems as though some think that anyone that has a critique of the party's direction and focus going forward is ATTACKING the party. So its very hard to get past that first hurdle.

problem with putting people into the crazy category and not taking them seriously, but I would like a little more information than her accusation to convince me. I have no reason to believe that the Democratic establishment wants the Sanders brand to actually do well. That would make no sense. If you are a Clinton and/or a DNC party supporter as it stands in its current incarnation, you have no interest in this happening. You see Sanders as divisive and harmful to the party, and you see any footholds that he and his message might gain as something undesirable. What is a seat loss here and there if you think the real damage might be a party coup of sorts, especially if you believe that on the other side of it, Democrats are destined to lose more seats.

It makes perfect sense to me that the party apparatus wouldn't be fond of supporting, certainly not full-throatedly, candidates who have some mean things to say about them and the way the system is run and rigged. It doesn't take a tin-foil hat to have that expectation. That isn't getting into Nomikki's actual accusations since I don't know them, and accusations are a dicey thing. If she's making them without evidence, whether she turns out to be right or not is really beside the point. If she's saying that that's her sense..that's a different thing altogether, and I have no problem with people making inferences if presented as such.

Then Jill.

Had nothing to do with democrats. Both sides cross over on elections.

So basically he was a angry republican.

Don't blame Bernie for that. He has always caucused with democrats and supported most of their policies staying independent because he is left of most of them. Nothing wrong with that.

I wish people on this site would stop attacking him. Would you rather have more Bernie's in the senate or more Paul Ryan's???

We are obligated to point that out. If that is seen as an attack, then so be it.

I agree that if all one is doing is attacking Democratic and the DNC, one isn't building Democratic unity. All destruction, no creation is not a formula for building unity.

Including this OP. Who do you think you're fooling with this shit?

As I know you are critical of Republicans and Republican policy.