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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 10:00 PM Jun 2017

I hope people are watching the program about Watergate on ABC right now.

There's another one on MSNBC tomorrow if you miss this one. Those of you who are too young to remember, it's a great history lesson about what can happen when corrupt people become too powerful, and how important a vigilant press can be. For us old folks who remember it (and watched the hearings, and celebrated Nixon's resignation), it's déjà-vu all over again.

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I hope people are watching the program about Watergate on ABC right now. (Original Post) The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 OP
As a boomer I hang my head in shame Jacquette Jun 2017 #1
A good time to catch up, then. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #2
I'm somewhere in the middle between you both, in age. calimary Jun 2017 #3
I was going into my 3rd (or so) year of college dflprincess Jun 2017 #4
Same here! LeftInTX Jun 2017 #8
I Remember It, But I was Only 13 to 14 Years Old Leith Jun 2017 #5
I am too young to have lived through it D_Master81 Jun 2017 #6
I just finished reading the book, for the first time since the 1980s. Staph Jun 2017 #7
It was more than "Watergate" LeftInTX Jun 2017 #9
 

Jacquette

(152 posts)
1. As a boomer I hang my head in shame
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 10:15 PM
Jun 2017

BUT...in my defense it was Aug of 74. One month before my freshman year at college and Richard Milhous and his travails were....not my main priority.

I did cry at the scene of him waving on the plane platform, though. So there's that...

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
2. A good time to catch up, then.
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 10:18 PM
Jun 2017

I was a few years out of college by then, and transfixed by the whole thing - as I am now, watching something similar apparently unfolding.

calimary

(81,267 posts)
3. I'm somewhere in the middle between you both, in age.
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 10:26 PM
Jun 2017

I sure remember that time. As I recall, in 1974 I was about a year away from graduating college.

I remember being glued to the TV, thinking to myself - "I can't believe what I'm actually seeing with my own eyes. There he goes. Really." Blew my mind. Not unlike what's happening now. Seems like one great big fat orange-skinned deja vu.

dflprincess

(28,078 posts)
4. I was going into my 3rd (or so) year of college
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 10:39 PM
Jun 2017

and I remember a friend and I debating taking fall quarter off because if there was an impeachment trial we didn't want to miss a minute. Fortunately his resignation solved our dilemma.

LeftInTX

(25,336 posts)
8. Same here!
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 01:26 AM
Jun 2017

The Watergate stuff couldn't hold my attention. It moved at a snail's pace and I didn't understand the legal stuff. My younger sister really got into it.

I was too busy with senior year stuff and had just finished college chemistry at summer school.

I have seen his PBS biography about 8 times, so I know the details.


Leith

(7,809 posts)
5. I Remember It, But I was Only 13 to 14 Years Old
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 10:55 PM
Jun 2017

All I really know is what I've read since then and the movie All the President's Men.

D_Master81

(1,822 posts)
6. I am too young to have lived through it
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 11:11 PM
Jun 2017

Being born in 1981, i only have history to tell me about the watergate affair. Growing up I would hear my dad talk about how much he was into watergate at the time and I always knew watergate as being this completely corrupt white house being brought down by scandal. Over the past week or so I have started to go back and watch stuff on youtube and i have found that to me, it doesnt come across as being as serous as I thought. Maybe its just cause i see whats possibly going on today and i'm like trying to cover up a break in at the DNC headquarters? Bad for sure, but I dont think anything would've happened to Nixon if it happened under this congress.

That said I find the parallels to whats happening now fascinating. The Nixon white house lashed out at the press, to begin 1974 Nixon in the SOTU speech said "1 year of watergate was enough" and called for the investigation to end, firing of people investigating the admin, testimony against the admin was deemed lying. I have no idea where this investigation goes now, but terump is def guilty of something, cause he's using many of the same tactics Nixon used.

Staph

(6,251 posts)
7. I just finished reading the book, for the first time since the 1980s.
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 12:43 AM
Jun 2017

The edition of the book (from my local library) had an Afterword - Marking the fortieth anniversary of Watergate.

"In the course of his five-and-a-half-year presidency, beginning in 1969, Nixon launched and managed five successive and overlapping wars -- against the anti-Vietnam War movement, the news media, the Democrats, the justice system, and, finally, against history itself. All reflected a mind-set and a pattern of behavior that were uniquely and pervasively Nixon's: a willingness to disregard the law for political advantage, and a quest for dirt and secrets about his opponents as an organizing principle of his presidency."

In the Nixon tapes (the recordings made in the Oval Office), one year before the Watergate break-in, Nixon, H.R. Haldeman and Henry Kissinger discussed a plan to break into the Brookings Institute, to steal a file on Lyndon Johnson's handling of the 1968 halt to bombing in Vietnam. Nixon wanted to blackmail the former president. At that point, LBJ was a discredited former president, who chose not to run for re-election in 1968 because of the Vietnam War. But Nixon lost his first run at the Presidency to JFK and LBJ, and Nixon never forgot that kind of lose.

Nixon directed the "Plumbers" - the guys who later broke into the Watergate - to break into the offices of the psychiatrist of Daniel Ellsberg, who gave the Pentagon Papers (a history of the war in Vietnam) to the press in 1970. Nixon wanted to discredit Ellsberg and undermine his credibility in the anti-war movement. Ellsberg was already indicted and charge with espionage, but, Nixon hated Jews, the anti-war movement, the press, and liberals, and the Pentagon Papers represented all of those groups.

In 1969, Kissinger ordered J. Edgar Hoover's FBI to illegally wiretap 17 reporters and White House employees, to try to find who was leaking stories about the progress of the war in Vietnam (sound familiar?).

It gets worse and worse and worse. The actual break-in and cover-up are just the tip of the iceberg in the Nixon White House, just as the firing of Jim Comey is just the tip of the iceberg in the Trump White House.

I strongly recommend that you read All The President's Men. It reads like a great novel and the story just gallops along. You will love it!


LeftInTX

(25,336 posts)
9. It was more than "Watergate"
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 01:31 AM
Jun 2017

The thing that did it for me was his ordering the break-in of Daniel Ellesberg's (pentagon paper's) psychiatrist office.

The purpose to have his medical records stolen and leaked to discredit Ellesberg. That was soooo low.

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