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malaise

(269,003 posts)
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 06:07 AM Jun 2017

Pssssssssssssst Those two weather systems in the Caribbean and the Atlantic

Tropical Weather Outlook
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL
200 AM EDT Sat Jun 17 2017

For the North Atlantic...Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico:

1. A tropical wave located about 1600 miles east-southeast of the
southern Windward Islands is producing scattered showers and
thunderstorms. This disturbance continues to show signs of
organization, and some additional development is possible
during the next couple of days before conditions become less
favorable for tropical cyclone formation. This system is expected
to continue moving toward the west at 15 to 20 mph over the
tropical Atlantic during the next several days.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...medium...40 percent.
* Formation chance through 5 days...high...70 percent.

2. A broad trough of low pressure is producing a large area of
cloudiness and showers over most of Honduras and the northwestern
Caribbean Sea. Conditions appear to be favorable for gradual
development of this large disturbance while it moves slowly
northwestward across the Yucatan Peninsula this weekend and into
the south-central Gulf of Mexico early next week. Regardless of
development, heavy rains are likely to spread over portions of
Central America, the Yucatan Peninsula, and western Cuba during
the next several days.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...20 percent.
* Formation chance through 5 days...high...70 percent.

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Lots of heavy rain with (2)

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Pssssssssssssst Those two weather systems in the Caribbean and the Atlantic (Original Post) malaise Jun 2017 OP
Predictions this year are for above average number of storms. Stay safe. Lochloosa Jun 2017 #1
Well given that only 5% of Atlantic storms occur in June (since 1851) malaise Jun 2017 #4
It's clear that's fake weather. Our non-existent FEMA director has advised POTUS of same. Vinca Jun 2017 #2
Getting up off the floor malaise Jun 2017 #3
But just in case, klook Jun 2017 #5
The non existent director of FEMA says the same. redwitch Jun 2017 #7
Non existent FEMA Direcror.....Bwahahaha!!! AgadorSparticus Jun 2017 #15
Trump has a nominee: trof Jun 2017 #39
Very good news malaise Jun 2017 #50
I saw this on the news this morning genxlib Jun 2017 #6
Hey genxlib Wawannabe Jun 2017 #26
Took me a bit to find you on that satellite image BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #8
Been raining here for two days malaise Jun 2017 #32
The whiplash extremes make it worse BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #33
Our two year drought ended last year malaise Jun 2017 #34
I hear ya BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #36
Landslides in the Blue Mountains as well malaise Jun 2017 #37
Yikes! BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #40
It has rained in the Keys for several weeks tavernier Jun 2017 #9
but fingers crossed mitch96 Jun 2017 #14
Cloud cover and rain keeps storm strength down misanthrope Jun 2017 #29
Great explanation. tavernier Jun 2017 #45
That happens too misanthrope Jun 2017 #53
Florida has been very lucky these past few years malaise Jun 2017 #35
Blame Obama....... ProudMNDemocrat Jun 2017 #10
Yeah, if we'd stop paying so much attention to those storms they'd calm down... Wounded Bear Jun 2017 #16
I'm sure Trump is being briefed by the NOAA and Fema heads this weekend. SweetieD Jun 2017 #11
heading down towards Windward Islands area HipChick Jun 2017 #12
I hope you're going after Tuesday malaise Jun 2017 #19
Here are the warnings - tropical storm - no hurricane malaise Jun 2017 #48
Malaise, take a look at the 2017 names. Persisted Jun 2017 #13
Hurricane Donnie two scoops Achilleaze Jun 2017 #17
Coming sooner than you think malaise Jun 2017 #18
If hurricane Don took out Mar-A-Lago..... Persisted Jun 2017 #20
Join the line malaise Jun 2017 #25
Cindy is the killer. AngryAmish Jun 2017 #52
spaghetti model jpak Jun 2017 #21
Looking like Texas but I'm guessing Tropical Storm or Cat 1It's way too early for a big one malaise Jun 2017 #23
It's warm enough for CAT 1 jpak Jun 2017 #44
I only trust the pasta models for about two days out.. mitch96 Jun 2017 #49
Trump's cabal probably rubbing hands together in anticipation of applying Shock Doctrine suffragette Jun 2017 #22
Well for starters FEMA has no director malaise Jun 2017 #24
Exactly. While Trump is drowning govt in a bathtub, we have to hope that storms will miss suffragette Jun 2017 #27
Let's share that blame a bit - the GOP Congress is 100% complicit Crash2Parties Jun 2017 #30
True that. They'll prop him up to continue to enact their agenda, then conveniently distance suffragette Jun 2017 #31
major terror attack, an outbreak of some kind Cosmocat Jun 2017 #55
This is bullshit! It's only the start of hurricane season! smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #38
Well given this bunch malaise Jun 2017 #42
You have a point. smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #46
Brock Long was nominated in April B2G Jun 2017 #61
Thank you! dixiegrrrrl Jun 2017 #28
You're welcome sis malaise Jun 2017 #43
Unlikely to be a hurricane - Extremely heavy rains may accompany 93L inland malaise Jun 2017 #47
Get ready for lots of water malaise Jun 2017 #60
Now Tropical Storm Cindy malaise Jun 2017 #62
It is parked due south of us, rain since morning, with a few breaks dixiegrrrrl Jun 2017 #64
Watch the mosquitoes malaise Jun 2017 #65
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2017 #41
Texas is hoping that the American model is correct Gothmog Jun 2017 #51
The Euro model has been most accurate malaise Jun 2017 #54
I know Gothmog Jun 2017 #56
Euro has a bigger computer mitch96 Jun 2017 #57
Love the new NOAA set up malaise Jun 2017 #58
Well looks like Louisiana and not Texas n/t malaise Jun 2017 #63
Tropical Storm Warning for Louisiana coast malaise Jun 2017 #59

Lochloosa

(16,064 posts)
1. Predictions this year are for above average number of storms. Stay safe.
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 07:12 AM
Jun 2017

Forecasters predict a 70 percent likelihood of 11 to 17 named storms (winds of 39 mph or higher), of which 5 to 9 could become hurricanes (winds of 74 mph or higher), including 2 to 4 major hurricanes (Category 3, 4 or 5; winds of 111 mph or higher). An average season produces 12 named storms of which six become hurricanes, including three major hurricanes.

malaise

(269,003 posts)
4. Well given that only 5% of Atlantic storms occur in June (since 1851)
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 07:15 AM
Jun 2017

looks like we're off with a bang.

trof

(54,256 posts)
39. Trump has a nominee:
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 06:40 PM
Jun 2017
?fit=scale

Alabama Gov. Bob Riley, left, and Alabama Emergency Management Agency Director Brock Long, discuss hurricane preparations Wednesday May 21, 2008 at the Alabama/Mississippi Hurricane Conference in Mobile, Ala. (AP Photo/Garry Mitchell)

His name is Brock Long. According to the New York Times, he is the vice president of emergency management firm Hagerty Consulting in Illinois. He also has experience at the state level. He was the head of the Alabama Emergency Management Agency from 2008 to 2011.

These are good signs because the most recent FEMA Administrator, Craig Fugate, was extremely effective in his role and brought a wealth of experience with him from his years as Florida's top emergency manager. Fugate is widely seen as the person that helped restore the perception of FEMA as a critical resource of the federal government. The agency had a serious weather related "black eye" after its response to Hurricane Katrina. The FEMA director at that time, Mike Brown (or "Brownie" as called by some), became a household name in a bad way.

I reached out to my friend and colleague, former FEMA administrator Fugate, who told me in a message this morning
"Brock brings both State and FEMA experience to the job. He knows the programs and challenges he faces. He is an Emergency Manager."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/marshallshepherd/2017/04/29/brock-long-is-trumps-nominee-for-fema-administrator-who-is-he/#c8ca0471fbff

genxlib

(5,527 posts)
6. I saw this on the news this morning
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 08:07 AM
Jun 2017

and thought of you.

Thanks for looking out for us.

Sometimes I love this place.

malaise

(269,003 posts)
32. Been raining here for two days
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 06:09 PM
Jun 2017

one to go - just a few heavy squalls where we are but flooding again in some parishes.
It's been serious this year - drought then floods. Sadly we all violate nature's chosen water paths and place homes in what we like to think are former river beds - nature wins every time.

BumRushDaShow

(129,005 posts)
33. The whiplash extremes make it worse
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 06:14 PM
Jun 2017

because with a drought, it's initially hard for rain to soak in so if it's heavy, it just runs off and floods (see California this past winter for that scenario). Yup, Mother Nature knows what she's doing.

malaise

(269,003 posts)
34. Our two year drought ended last year
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 06:22 PM
Jun 2017

but we've had really heavy rain last Month and all June so far.
The thing is the mountains are so green and beautiful that sometimes I have to remember that more than a few folks have lost everything and lots of roads and bridges have been destroyed.

BumRushDaShow

(129,005 posts)
36. I hear ya
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 06:28 PM
Jun 2017

All you can do is hope that any systems this season go around the island so that folks can recover.

Hope it was at least good for the coffee crop!

tavernier

(12,388 posts)
9. It has rained in the Keys for several weeks
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 08:32 AM
Jun 2017

straight. A wet spring usually means a milder hurricane season. I hope this holds true for this year as well, but fingers crossed.

mitch96

(13,904 posts)
14. but fingers crossed
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 11:11 AM
Jun 2017

After Andrew, every orifice puckers a bit during hurricane season. Got everything prepped and now that I'm retired, I can just get out of dodge if a big one comes... Call it a hurricane vacation and let the insurance company deal with the aftermath.
m

misanthrope

(7,417 posts)
29. Cloud cover and rain keeps storm strength down
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 04:53 PM
Jun 2017

The less energy the Caribbean and Gulf absorb from sunlight, in addition to the influx of cooler rainwater runoff then there's less power for tropical systems to absorb. The system near the Yucatan will lessen chances for development when the Atlantic system reaches this side of The Pond.

tavernier

(12,388 posts)
45. Great explanation.
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 10:59 PM
Jun 2017

We just assumed that the storms stirred up the waters therefore cooling the temperature.

misanthrope

(7,417 posts)
53. That happens too
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 03:42 AM
Jun 2017

but its effect is more dependent on wind. I was thinking of lower tier systems like tropical storms.

When a strong hurricane comes through, it can send the warmer waters deeper into the ocean and bring the cooler waters upward. Once that storm clears, the surface layer is then heated by the sun and the overall temperature of the ocean -- or in the case of many American interests, the Gulf of Mexico -- raises to pre-hurricane temperatures but it takes a couple of weeks.

The general pattern of oceanic flow is that warmer waters from the equator head toward the poles while colder waters from the poles return to equator. If the ocean temperatures increase, it would stand to reason it could slightly strengthen these overall currents as well.

There's other things involved like evaporation and seasonal variations. Like all things "weather," it's very dynamic.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,785 posts)
10. Blame Obama.......
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 08:39 AM
Jun 2017

Looks like we need another Executive Order to dismantle the National Weather Service and underfund NOAA. Climate Change deniers will see this as "fake news, fake weather".

Or some idiot fundie preacher will blame the LGBT community for Hurricanes.

Wounded Bear

(58,656 posts)
16. Yeah, if we'd stop paying so much attention to those storms they'd calm down...
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 11:18 AM
Jun 2017

All we're doing by focusing on them is encouraging them.

SweetieD

(1,660 posts)
11. I'm sure Trump is being briefed by the NOAA and Fema heads this weekend.
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 09:06 AM
Jun 2017

That is if he actually appointed and confirmed anyone to those positions yet. Pretty sure they are still vacant. Trumps lackadaisical attitude towards governance is going to put a lot of his supporters in a world of hurt.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
12. heading down towards Windward Islands area
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 09:47 AM
Jun 2017

I know I should always check the weather this time of year...

 

Persisted

(290 posts)
13. Malaise, take a look at the 2017 names.
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 09:55 AM
Jun 2017

Arlene Harvey Ophelia
Bret Irma Philippe
Cindy Jose Rina
Don Katia Sean
Emily Lee Tammy
Franklin Maria Vince
Gert Nate Whitney

we've used Arlene.....look at #4

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
17. Hurricane Donnie two scoops
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 11:20 AM
Jun 2017

The Republican family values role model dodged the draft five times, but he can't dodge Hurra Kane.

mitch96

(13,904 posts)
49. I only trust the pasta models for about two days out..
Sun Jun 18, 2017, 08:21 PM
Jun 2017

After that there is too much error... Got that from watching meteorologist go back and forth and back and forth and back and forth ad nauseam...
m

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
22. Trump's cabal probably rubbing hands together in anticipation of applying Shock Doctrine
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 03:13 PM
Jun 2017

If any areas are hit.

They sure aren't preparing for actual disaster relief.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
27. Exactly. While Trump is drowning govt in a bathtub, we have to hope that storms will miss
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 04:08 PM
Jun 2017

And earthquakes won't occur.

It's terrifying to think of what Trump's response would be, probably more about enacting civil restrictions and awarding lucrative contracts to rebuild than providing any help or appropriate response.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
31. True that. They'll prop him up to continue to enact their agenda, then conveniently distance
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 05:53 PM
Jun 2017

Themselves from him on policies that don't go over with their own constituencies.

Very important that they are held responsible, both when they acknowledge their support and when they say they don't support but vote for disastrous legislation and appointments anyway.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
55. major terror attack, an outbreak of some kind
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 07:47 AM
Jun 2017

The way these lunatics have blown up the federal government, we just have to hold our breath across the board.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
38. This is bullshit! It's only the start of hurricane season!
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 06:37 PM
Jun 2017

WTF is going to happen when we are in the thick of it? It's going to be a disaster and we have nobody at the helm. For god's sake, we need an adult here in charge. This is serious. God, I just want to rip his fucking head off.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
28. Thank you!
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 04:44 PM
Jun 2017

We have had thunderstorms every day but 2 for the last 3 weeks.
they have come from Texas and some from the Gulf/Louisiana.

will keep eye out for shifting winds....

malaise

(269,003 posts)
47. Unlikely to be a hurricane - Extremely heavy rains may accompany 93L inland
Sun Jun 18, 2017, 06:08 AM
Jun 2017
https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/windwards-gulf-mexico-watching-two-tropical-waves
Extremely heavy rains may accompany 93L inland

Models agree that 93L is unlikely to become a hurricane, but the system is large and moist and will be capable of producing extremely heavy rain. There remains considerable disagreement on where this potential depression or tropical storm will track. The ECWMF and its ensemble members have been fairly consistent in tracking 93L over or around the Yucatan Peninsula and toward the western Gulf, where it would make landfall in South Texas or Mexico. The 12Z Saturday ECMWF run brings the center near Brownsville on Thursday, most likely as a weak tropical storm.

The GFS has shown less internal consistency, but it has tended to track 93L toward the central Gulf Coast, in response to a more vigorous upper-level trough in the GFS moving through the eastern U.S. The 12Z Saturday run of the GFS brings 93L inland near Mobile, AL, after several days of slow motion just offshore. A slowdown in forward speed would be plausible given the departure of the eastern trough and the weakening of steering currents. If 93L does move as gradually as shown by the GFS, we can expect torrential rains—perhaps 10” to 20”—somewhere along the central Gulf Coast, regardless of whether 93L is a wave, depression, or named storm. Likewise, torrential rain could be expected over South Texas if the ECMWF is correct, although the amounts would probably be less than for the GFS track given that 93L would likely be moving at a more steady clip around the intense dome of high pressure producing record heat in the Southwest U.S.

Starting tonight, we will get regular guidance from the HWRF model for 93L, which should help clarify where the system is heading next week and how strong it might be. Residents along the Caribbean coast of Belize and Mexico, as well as western Cuba, should be prepared for very heavy rainfall over the next 48 hours.

malaise

(269,003 posts)
62. Now Tropical Storm Cindy
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 03:40 PM
Jun 2017
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/storm_graphics/AT03/refresh/AL032017_5day_cone_no_line_and_wind+png/173424_5day_cone_no_line_and_wind.png
<snip>
...DISTURBANCE BECOMES TROPICAL STORM CINDY...
...HEAVY RAINFALL SPREADING ACROSS MUCH OF THE CENTRAL GULF COAST...


SUMMARY OF 100 PM CDT...1800 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...25.9N 90.5W
ABOUT 265 MI...430 KM S OF MORGAN CITY LOUISIANA
ABOUT 355 MI...565 KM SE OF GALVESTON TEXAS
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...45 MPH...75 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...STATIONARY
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...999 MB...29.50 INCHES


WATCHES AND WARNINGS
--------------------
CHANGES WITH THIS ADVISORY:

None.

SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT:

A Tropical Storm Warning is in effect for...
* High Island to the Mouth of the Pearl River

A Tropical Storm Watch is in effect for...
* West of High Island to San Luis Pass

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
64. It is parked due south of us, rain since morning, with a few breaks
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 04:30 PM
Jun 2017

much much more to come, says our radar map.
We already have a lot of water from the past few weeks of rain.
guess I won't have to worry about yard clean up for a week.

Response to malaise (Original post)

Gothmog

(145,242 posts)
51. Texas is hoping that the American model is correct
Sun Jun 18, 2017, 09:27 PM
Jun 2017

If the European model is right, Texas may be getting a ton of rain and weather

mitch96

(13,904 posts)
57. Euro has a bigger computer
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 01:35 PM
Jun 2017

I heard the NWS just a big cahoona computer to keep up with the Euro Wx Svs... Along with the new GOES satellite it should be an interesting season as far as predictions go..... Fingers crossed.
m

malaise

(269,003 posts)
59. Tropical Storm Warning for Louisiana coast
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 05:38 PM
Jun 2017

SUMMARY OF 400 PM CDT...2100 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...24.7N 88.7W
ABOUT 305 MI...490 KM S OF THE MOUTH OF THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER
ABOUT 380 MI...610 KM SSE OF MORGAN CITY LOUISIANA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...40 MPH...65 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...N OR 350 DEGREES AT 9 MPH...15 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1002 MB...29.59 INCHES


WATCHES AND WARNINGS
--------------------
CHANGES WITH THIS ADVISORY:

A Tropical Storm Warning is in effect from Intracoastal City,
Louisiana, to the Mouth of the Pearl River.

A Tropical Storm Watch is in effect from west of Intracoastal City
to High Island, Texas.

SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT:

A Tropical Storm Warning is in effect for...
* Intracoastal City to the Mouth of the Pearl River

A Tropical Storm Watch is in effect for...
* West of Intracoastal City to High Island


http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at3+shtml/205153.shtml?cone#content

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/storm_graphics/AT03/refresh/AL032017_5day_cone_no_line_and_wind+png/205153_5day_cone_no_line_and_wind.png

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