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gordianot

(15,238 posts)
2. Of course let us scar up the Planets premier natural wonder.
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 09:06 AM
Jun 2017

Think of all the development and desert parking lots that can be built along the way.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
3. "the canyon would also make a nifty nuclear waste dump" - Republicans
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 09:08 AM
Jun 2017

Expect to hear this soon. Americans see magnficent natural beauty, republicans see an opportunity to sell it off, piss off Americans, and make a buck for their billionaire BFFs.

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beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
4. insane idea but is most likely actually being done to "develop" the resources in and around
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 09:12 AM
Jun 2017

the grand canyon for profit

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,340 posts)
5. Grand Canyon National Park?
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 09:19 AM
Jun 2017

Or is it planned further downstream, by that transparent skywalk thing?

Would this be more, or less, obnoxious than the stream of tourist helicopters?

https://www.nps.gov/grca/learn/management/upload/GCNP_DEIS_Cover_through_Chapter_3.pdf

struggle4progress

(118,282 posts)
14. "I mean, if you've looked at a hundred thousand acres or so of canyon -- you know,
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 02:51 PM
Jun 2017

a canyon is a canyon, how much more do you need to look at?"

Jimbo101

(776 posts)
15. or a Wall cutting through Big Bend National Park (Texas Border)
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 02:57 PM
Jun 2017


Not quite as beautiful as the Grand Canyon, but even the idea is just as stupid ,...

politicat

(9,808 posts)
16. Via what possible route? Whatever he's smoking... stay away from it. He's in the jimson.
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 04:59 PM
Jun 2017

There's a reason there aren't many roads through the Arizona Strip and west of the Navajo Nation. There are no desire paths existing because there's no reason for one. The geography just can't support it. 89 is about the best route, it's 4 lane divided for most of its route, but it's got a lot of areas where it's penned in. (Also, 89 is perfectly fine.) There's really no good place to join 15 and 40 except where they do meet up, because there's these giant deep holes and plateaus, and there's no need. Inside the Nation, the Nation gets to decide what roads they need, and they've made pretty good decisions given their needs and resources.

To an extent, better roads into the strip would be a sociological good -- a big reason the FLDS grew into such an abusive cult is because they were geographically isolated from their legal jurisdiction, and the law enforcement that was closer was out of jurisdiction. (For those who don't know the region: Colorado City is where 389 crosses the Utah border, about half-way between Fredonia and St George. Mohave County has jurisdiction, but they're based in Kingman, on the other side of the canyon. Getting to Colorado City is just difficult, calling for backup takes hours, and sometimes one just can't get there from here.) However, the easier solution would be for both states to cooperate, and declare that section a dual administration zone.

But the UEP is being broken, and the two states are doing a much better job of administering the breakup and handling the legal issues this time than they did in the 1950s. So even that flabby argument isn't really worth following.

That idea has been coming up since I was a kid -- one of my parents was an ADOT engineer, the other managed construction projects. My engineer parent is one of the most arrogant, over-confident, too clever by half asshats out there (though to be fair, he builds really good roads and runways) but even he looked at the geology, the geography, and even blue-sky wild overestimates of funding and concluded it's pointless.

Personally... 191 is a much superior, absolutely gorgeous route if one really must transfer from 70 to 40 and wants to skip I25 or I15, 89 is also perfectly lovely, and any trip in that region should be treated as "enjoy the journey" rather than "get this over with." It's the most beautiful high desert landscape in North America.

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