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L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 11:01 AM Jun 2017

There's No Way to Know How Compromised U.S. Elections Are


There's No Way to Know How Compromised U.S. Elections Are
Even if there were, there might not be anything officials can do about it.
Vann R. Newkirk II - Jun 16, 2017 Politics

It’s not really all that hard to hack American democracy.

That fact should be driven home by a recent article from The Intercept detailing the contents of a highly classified NSA report that found evidence of a massive Russian cyberattack on voting software and against over 100 election officials. While the NSA concluded the attack was carried out by the most sophisticated of hackers—the Russian military—their entry methods were relatively vanilla. They gained access to the credentials and documents of a voting system vendor via a spear-phishing attack, and then used those credentials and documents to launch a second spear-phishing attack on local elections officials, which if successful could have compromised election officials’ systems and whatever voter data they possessed.

Recent reporting by Bloomberg has supplemented these reports, showing that such attempts by Russian hackers spread across 39 states. Some of the most extensive efforts came in Illinois, where hackers gained access to the whole state database and as many as 90,000 records including identifiers like partial Social Security numbers, driver’s license numbers, and names. The potential damage to the integrity of the actual vote was limited by the fact that the state database was merely a top-level aggregation of county-level databases and data entry, but Illinois was a disturbing proof-of-concept.

Russia’s intrusions were instructive. While it’s unclear just how many records they accessed or how deeply they’d compromised systems that could actually electoral outcomes, their probing illustrated how easily elections infrastructure is compromised—and also how officials might not have any idea just how compromised it already is. Using social engineering and phishing, they reached every level of the voting infrastructure, from the private vendors that create electronic ballots to state coordinators and local officials. And according to Bloomberg, the main reason intelligence officials know about that systematic attack was only because a contractor for the Illinois state board of elections noticed an unauthorized download of voter data.

So we found out about that attack, but might there be others? .................
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There's No Way to Know How Compromised U.S. Elections Are (Original Post) L. Coyote Jun 2017 OP
Shouldn't Congress be working to fix this system right now? kentuck Jun 2017 #1
Republicans altered the election system to remove the evidence (paper). L. Coyote Jun 2017 #3
So if you understand statistics greymattermom Jun 2017 #2
Statistics is the work of the devil, no longer applies in America. L. Coyote Jun 2017 #5
Hack Oden Jun 2017 #4
If you can't prove it happened, what can you do? L. Coyote Jun 2017 #6
It's important to understand that the electronic votes might already be rigged WITHOUT hacking. Goodheart Jun 2017 #7

kentuck

(111,095 posts)
1. Shouldn't Congress be working to fix this system right now?
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 11:07 AM
Jun 2017

At least have a paper trail with every ballot. How difficult would that be? Otherwise, they should get rid of all computer voting and go to a straight paper ballot system.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
3. Republicans altered the election system to remove the evidence (paper).
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 11:11 AM
Jun 2017

It is designed to be manipulated without an evidentiary trail.

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
2. So if you understand statistics
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 11:10 AM
Jun 2017

you will know that it's extremely unlikely for Republicans to win every close race.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
5. Statistics is the work of the devil, no longer applies in America.
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 11:27 AM
Jun 2017

Besides, it is too complicates to fit into a sound bite. So, let's just move along and talk about the Kardashians, something emotive and easy to relate to, like big butts.

Oden

(26 posts)
4. Hack
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 11:16 AM
Jun 2017

I think repubs have been doing this and other devious and traitorous crap at least since Bush v Gore. What I don't understand is why our side is doing nothing about it.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
6. If you can't prove it happened, what can you do?
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 11:30 AM
Jun 2017

That's the thing about rigging elections, the near perfect crime, especially if no one accepts exit polling as valid science.

Goodheart

(5,324 posts)
7. It's important to understand that the electronic votes might already be rigged WITHOUT hacking.
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 11:47 AM
Jun 2017

The proprietary software, itself, might already be fraudulent, and while the vote TOTALS might be reported accurately by the software vendor in order to garner trust there is no guarantee and no way of checking if each vote is properly counted in the correct column.

I don't trust those voting machines any farther than I can throw them.

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