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babylonsister

(171,065 posts)
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 12:58 PM Jun 2017

This Lying, Murdering Whore Called America

Heart wrenching.


This Lying, Murdering Whore Called America
Michael Harriot
Yesterday
7:22pm


Today—almost a year after a man who took an oath to protect and serve sent a bullet into the skull of another human being at point-blank range who was absolutely no threat to anyone on earth—12 jurors, a judge and and the entire American justice system stood on the grave of Philando Castile, took an extended piss, wiped their bloody hands in the soil and said, “Fuck that guy.”

Please spare me the self-assured comments about how you knew what the verdict would be, or the narcissistic passive-aggressive question of “What did you think would happen?” If I were forced to wager my life’s savings on the verdict, I, too, would have bet that Jeronimo Yanez would never be convicted of Castile’s murder. But if you informed me on Monday that you planned to kick me in the gut on Friday, I could prepare myself for it all week, but that doesn’t mean it still wouldn’t hurt.

America is a bitch.

America has always been lovely from the outside, with her spacious skies and amber waves of grain. We see white people enjoying freedom, liberty and equality and wonder if America could ever love us like that. But America is a cruel mistress who cuddles up to us and murders black people in their sleep. She has never meant us any good. Only harm. Only pain. America is a liar. America is a murderer. America is a bitch.

Acquittal is different from a hung or deadlocked jury; it means Yanez is “not guilty.” It means that even if a black man complies with every letter of the law, it is still OK for a law-enforcement officer to kill him.

snip//

It is impossible for justice to coexist with inequality. Justice is a constant—either it is or it isn’t. It is unflagging. The fact that it is applied to black lives arbitrarily and sparingly is proof that it doesn’t exist for us. We live under the delusion that there is something we can do to prevent our brains from being splattered onto a random sidewalk, but that is bullshit, too.

If you stand still, like Eric Garner, America will kill you.

If you drive away, like Sam Dubose, America will kill you.

If you walk away slowly, like Terence Crutcher, America will killl you.

If you run away, like Walter Scott, America will kill you.

If you fight back, like Trayvon Martin, America will kill you.

If you get on your hands and knees like Kenneth Walker, America will kill you.

And like Brendan Hester and Philando Castile, even if you comply with every word that you are told; even if you pose no threat; even if there is absolutely no reason for her to be afraid, America will pump bullets into a black body and never miss a minute of sleep in her comfortable bed at home, because America is an evil bitch.

more...

http://www.theroot.com/this-lying-murdering-whore-called-america-1796184773?utm_medium=sharefromsite&utm_source=The_Root_facebook

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This Lying, Murdering Whore Called America (Original Post) babylonsister Jun 2017 OP
Not America - but certain Americans. sandensea Jun 2017 #1
Agreed. It is PREJUDICE & bigotry to place this on ALL Americans. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #19
Well said as always. sandensea Jun 2017 #23
My brother posted on FB JustAnotherGen Jun 2017 #29
As I said, we understand the feeling. The thing is blind rage & all-or-nothing thinking don't work. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #36
Are you certain JustAnotherGen Jun 2017 #114
This sheshe2 Jun 2017 #106
No. It's not. - nt KingCharlemagne Jun 2017 #56
Prejudice - pre-judging - is where you call me a whore before you ever meet me. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #64
Racism is as American as cherry pie. Witness Trump. - nt KingCharlemagne Jun 2017 #75
Trump is a good example. Why did the writer use such misogynistic language? yardwork Jun 2017 #77
Why don't you ask him or post a response at the source? - nt KingCharlemagne Jun 2017 #80
Trump does NOT define me. Does he define you? Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #83
I'm a Socialist Internationalist, not some bourgeois nationalist. - nt KingCharlemagne Jun 2017 #86
Oh, so you are special. Not covered by the blanket condemnation of the essay of all Americans. . . n Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #88
All Socialists are special. We're way ahead of our time. Witness Star Trek. - nt KingCharlemagne Jun 2017 #91
I'll just let that sit there. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #92
You do that. Think about Star Trek and money. Ever see any change hands, save KingCharlemagne Jun 2017 #93
It's fiction. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #94
Post removed Post removed Jun 2017 #100
Yes. And another mistake the essay makes is Binary Thinking Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #22
being a poor white i can resonate with your feeling Stargazer99 Jun 2017 #2
America is not a bitch because this place isn't run by women. Zing Zing Zingbah Jun 2017 #3
A point that was clearly lost on the author. WinkyDink Jun 2017 #5
I find this writing hateful, extremist, divisive and stupid. Hortensis Jun 2017 #4
The author's babylonsister Jun 2017 #8
It's palpable, all right. It was palpable at Trump rallies as Hortensis Jun 2017 #10
I object to America being characterized as a bad woman. yardwork Jun 2017 #6
That's exactly what I was thinking. Zing Zing Zingbah Jun 2017 #9
I saw your post upthread after I posted and agree with your's too! yardwork Jun 2017 #11
If its A (one) bad man destroying this country, how come most people of the examples hughee99 Jun 2017 #13
All the people he mentions were killed by men. yardwork Jun 2017 #18
Not true... ADX Jun 2017 #28
Right. One woman. Her husband was in the helicopter. yardwork Jun 2017 #31
Yeah, hubby was in the helo, describing Crutcher as a "bad dude"... ADX Jun 2017 #32
Don't get hung up on a figure of speech. The OP is not about women it's about injustice in the US brush Jun 2017 #34
Why THAT figure? Oppressed individuals often kick the next person lower on the pole. Why kick women? Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #37
Do ya really thing the poster was trying to kick women? Come on, he/she used... brush Jun 2017 #47
Refusing to use sexist speech that bashes women is an EASY way to bring MORE JUSTICE. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #48
Hoping he/she will soon. But it's also easy to ignore all of the intent and content of ... brush Jun 2017 #49
"Commonly used" is no excuse. It was common in the South for many years to call Harriot a ni____. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #50
I give up. Still concentration on that and not the content or intent. brush Jun 2017 #52
As I said, I've addressed content & intent in my other posts in this thread, starting w #19. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #53
It's more than just a phrase. Read the last sentences in the OP's excerpt: yardwork Jun 2017 #74
I stand corrected and informed, didn't realize the phrase was such an issue. brush Jun 2017 #78
Did you read my post? It's much more than just a "phrase." yardwork Jun 2017 #82
Yes I did. I stand corrected. brush Jun 2017 #87
Thank you. Aside from the metaphor, I agree with the writer's overall point. yardwork Jun 2017 #89
Thank you and others for enightnening me on the use of that phrase. Don't get me started... brush Jun 2017 #96
I know, and it's infuriating how few people acknowledge this. yardwork Jun 2017 #98
It is not a common figure of speech unless you are sexist, crude and derogatory. 58Sunliner Jun 2017 #61
The female metaphor is quite strong, especially in the last paragraph. yardwork Jun 2017 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author 58Sunliner Jun 2017 #58
It uses female-specific slurs to describe male violence nt geek tragedy Jun 2017 #63
+1000 58Sunliner Jun 2017 #67
Thanks for that succinct point. yardwork Jun 2017 #76
Don't tell us not to "get hung up" on misogyny. It reflects poorly on you. Gravitycollapse Jun 2017 #70
I stand corrected. brush Jun 2017 #72
From your comments you seemed to indicate that the issue was "A" bad man destrying the country hughee99 Jun 2017 #45
Sounds like you misunderstood my post. yardwork Jun 2017 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author stillsoleft Jun 2017 #14
Actually, I object to any woman being referred to as a."bitch". whathehell Jun 2017 #20
I agree. Dumping and venting while using misogynistic terms is not journalism. 58Sunliner Jun 2017 #60
Thank you. n/t whathehell Jun 2017 #68
Are they necessarily "female metaphors"? As in, "we all know you're a whore. We're KingCharlemagne Jun 2017 #79
Read the entire excerpt above, especially the last paragraph. yardwork Jun 2017 #81
I take your point but wish only to note that, as a matter of usage, countries have KingCharlemagne Jun 2017 #84
I acknowledge that point. yardwork Jun 2017 #85
+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #99
Not a fan of the misogynist language.... Adrahil Jun 2017 #7
Likewise SHRED Jun 2017 #15
White supremicist killer cop. AngryAmish Jun 2017 #12
Do you know what you are talking about? Do you know the name of this "white Supremacist"? question everything Jun 2017 #17
+1. Always best to check first before posting. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #21
White supremacy is the ideology that claims white people are superior loyalsister Jun 2017 #27
No, he's Hispanic. cwydro Jun 2017 #24
Hispanics can't be white !? YCHDT Jun 2017 #73
Does this man look white to you? LittleBlue Jun 2017 #108
Thank you. nt cwydro Jun 2017 #110
So I'll take this response as an "I don't know", it doesn't matter prejudice is prejudice and it ... YCHDT Jun 2017 #113
I was not on the jury. I did not even follow the trial question everything Jun 2017 #16
Just substitute the term "white supremacy" for racism. Does that work for you? brush Jun 2017 #35
While you are busy inserting white supremacy or racism into someone else's post, 58Sunliner Jun 2017 #65
I don't get how since I'm AA and have posted my digust at the racist verdict on this and... brush Jun 2017 #71
Attention to your cause is the spangled dangle to the angle. pbmus Jun 2017 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author PatrickforO Jun 2017 #25
I refuse to wallow in collective guilt packman Jun 2017 #26
You're profiting off the advantages you've secured thanks to 300 years of stolen labor KingCharlemagne Jun 2017 #95
Americans offended thbobby Jun 2017 #30
What's your role? Vinnie From Indy Jun 2017 #41
Most people I read are offended by the overt sexism and reek of misogyny. 58Sunliner Jun 2017 #66
he's obviously a real man; likes to say B- and W- to try to look tough. nt TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #33
That's a stunningly misogynistic set of metaphors. nolabear Jun 2017 #38
The comments on this thread are proof Solomon Jun 2017 #39
Nonsense. I've seen this justifiable rage expressed in far less offensive ways. nolabear Jun 2017 #42
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll just protest by just sitting on Solomon Jun 2017 #90
What? That doesn't even make sense. nolabear Jun 2017 #102
"Denial" about what? People are objecting to the writer's pervasive metaphor of America not simply WinkyDink Jun 2017 #103
Wallowing in misogynistic slurs is not a badge of righteousness nt geek tragedy Jun 2017 #107
We're objecting to the offensive, misogynistic language. cwydro Jun 2017 #109
I find the mercuryblues Jun 2017 #111
This is not the way. Vinnie From Indy Jun 2017 #40
Post removed Post removed Jun 2017 #43
that's harsh ornotna Jun 2017 #51
Completely true. onecaliberal Jun 2017 #55
Misogyny is a vile metaphoric device to use when attempting to right wrongs. VOX Jun 2017 #54
Why do we keep demonizing something bad as a bitch, as female? A whore? Really? 58Sunliner Jun 2017 #57
In a word: Eve. WinkyDink Jun 2017 #105
Why the misogynistic language to describe male violence? nt geek tragedy Jun 2017 #62
OP is deeply misogynist. Please delete. Gravitycollapse Jun 2017 #69
Mind boggling MFM008 Jun 2017 #97
bookmarked, K& R!!!!! heaven05 Jun 2017 #101
"So true"? America is some personification of The Evil Female? In an essay expressing rage at MEN'S WinkyDink Jun 2017 #104
Right on! countryjake Jun 2017 #112

sandensea

(21,635 posts)
1. Not America - but certain Americans.
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 01:03 PM
Jun 2017

Those who feel entitled to do so, and all those who applaud and coddle them.

For those Americans, Herriott's essay applies perfectly.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
19. Agreed. It is PREJUDICE & bigotry to place this on ALL Americans.
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 03:35 PM
Jun 2017

We can sympathize with the emotion and we can't ignore the fact that a greater proportion of people of color are shot by police. It is a very bad situation and result. The great preponderance of DU members will NOT IGNORE that fact and many work in small and big ways to improve it.

But the article ignores all the police, of all colors and backgrounds, who did the right thing in some tough situations.

Inflammatory articles like this are worse than useless because they make the problem worse by attacking the good people in the same breath as the bad people.

The perfect is the enemy of the good. An article like this wants to burn down all of America because part of it is not perfect. That is just plain wrong.

sandensea

(21,635 posts)
23. Well said as always.
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 03:49 PM
Jun 2017

The wording, especially, plays right into Republican hands.

We're just lucky O'Lielly is no longer on the air, as he would have liked nothing more than to incite Mike Harriot to the show just to yell at him and talk over him with all the typical chest-thumping slogans of his.

JustAnotherGen

(31,823 posts)
29. My brother posted on FB
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 04:10 PM
Jun 2017

This morning - This happens AGAIN yet I'm.wrong for having a chip on my shoulder as a black man?

I think this essay reflects the way a lot of black people in America feel the day after.

The essay might:
Disappoint you.
Make you defensive.
Make you disregard it.
Make you discount the messenger.

A lot of things.

But it's reflective of the blind rage at, distrust of, and disgust with America.

It is a critical cruel view into the discussions by phone and face to face today. Someone showed you what black America thinks when not in "polite society".

You know - it would really help if they stopped murdering us and getting away with it.

It would make America so much better. It would be a really nice olive branch.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
36. As I said, we understand the feeling. The thing is blind rage & all-or-nothing thinking don't work.
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 05:36 PM
Jun 2017

It's a terrible feeling. A daily feeling. A conflicted feeling.

JustAnotherGen

(31,823 posts)
114. Are you certain
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 09:32 PM
Jun 2017

"We" understand everything?

There's no conflict - that's why I question the "we".

I hate to put you on the spot here - but what advice would you give non black Americans to get right with themselves and cut the shit out? It's all on them to change.

There is zero ambiguity amongst us black folks. We aren't doing anything wrong other than being black.

So all the platitudes and lofty above it all aside - what will you do or say to stop this tortuous inner turmoil non black folks feel over this daily?

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
64. Prejudice - pre-judging - is where you call me a whore before you ever meet me.
Sun Jun 18, 2017, 12:03 AM
Jun 2017

You are calling Mrs. Quimby on Barnacle Street a whore too. You haven't met her.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
93. You do that. Think about Star Trek and money. Ever see any change hands, save
Sun Jun 18, 2017, 09:27 AM
Jun 2017

among the primitive and by-then exotic Ferengi. And yet everyone is employed and no one want for material needs like food or healthcare. Funny how Roddenberry could create a Socialist future and few recognize it as such.

Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #19)

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
22. Yes. And another mistake the essay makes is Binary Thinking
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 03:48 PM
Jun 2017

We can understand the emotion and anger that drives Harriot to write "It is impossible for justice to coexist with inequality." But that kind of all or nothing binary thinking is blinded to reality, often blinded by rage.

There will never be perfect equality because even if it goes to perfect equality it will overshoot the mark and oscillate back and forth. So Harriot will never ever find justice.

But more temperate people can continue to work for both equality and justice with a clear head. By rejecting binary thinking they find the good and increase it while decreasing the bad.

Do NOT seek "perfection." That goal is doomed to failure and the white-hot anger that drives it creates much divisiveness and destruction until it burns itself out.

Work for "better" and "much better".

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
3. America is not a bitch because this place isn't run by women.
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 01:04 PM
Jun 2017

Call it an asshole or dick instead. This place is dominated by men though.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
4. I find this writing hateful, extremist, divisive and stupid.
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 01:13 PM
Jun 2017

America is its people, and America's faults are the same as those of all mankind and are found everywhere. And our good reflects that found in all peoples as well. Our people are more safe than most and our systems more just than most -- both far, far, far more than some.

It's stupid because it rejects and denies all that is good in us, because it even denies the good of those who were murdered and their grieving families, and because it promotes despair and division instead of inspiring us to be stronger in our goodness.

And for MY and my family's particular shares of this insulting rant, I specifically do not say thank you to this author. We don't deserve this, and the excuse of anger is no excuse.

babylonsister

(171,065 posts)
8. The author's
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 01:19 PM
Jun 2017

anger is palpable and justified; that is what I responded to. I guess that's why we all have opinions.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
10. It's palpable, all right. It was palpable at Trump rallies as
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 01:22 PM
Jun 2017

people were encouraged to act out their worst character flaws. Call it poetry, but maybe next time just post a line or two and a link? For those who appreciate strength of writing regardless of its content?

yardwork

(61,608 posts)
6. I object to America being characterized as a bad woman.
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 01:17 PM
Jun 2017

It's a bad man who is destroying the country. We had a chance to elect a woman and too many people gave into their sexist resentments. Now here comes a male columnist calling America a "bitch" and "whore."

Why the female metaphors?

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
13. If its A (one) bad man destroying this country, how come most people of the examples
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 01:28 PM
Jun 2017

The author provides happened before that man was elected. The writer's issue with America, even if you don't agree, is clearly much bigger than Trump.

 

ADX

(1,622 posts)
32. Yeah, hubby was in the helo, describing Crutcher as a "bad dude"...
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 04:20 PM
Jun 2017

...By the way, just to be clear, I was merely correcting the record, not trying to justify the author's language or premise.

brush

(53,778 posts)
34. Don't get hung up on a figure of speech. The OP is not about women it's about injustice in the US
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 05:27 PM
Jun 2017

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
37. Why THAT figure? Oppressed individuals often kick the next person lower on the pole. Why kick women?
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 06:36 PM
Jun 2017

Injustice to a lower group does not create more justice or solve a group's justice problem.

brush

(53,778 posts)
47. Do ya really thing the poster was trying to kick women? Come on, he/she used...
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 10:04 PM
Jun 2017

a common figure of speech, make points about injustice in the criminal justice system here.

IMO bashing women was not the intention at all.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
48. Refusing to use sexist speech that bashes women is an EASY way to bring MORE JUSTICE.
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 10:08 PM
Jun 2017

Do you think we will ever see Mr. Harriot call America a gigolo or rent-boy?

Sure, he didn't INTEND to bash women, but if he truly is interested in EQUALITY and JUSTICE he will purge his speech and thought of figures and patterns that HAVE THE EFFECT OF BASHING WOMEN.

Now, if not sooner. It's past due.

Walking the walk of making social justice happen requires self-discipline.

He can do it, if he wants to.

brush

(53,778 posts)
49. Hoping he/she will soon. But it's also easy to ignore all of the intent and content of ...
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 10:12 PM
Jun 2017

OP by zeroing in on a pretty commonly used phrase that most know is not directed at women at all.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
50. "Commonly used" is no excuse. It was common in the South for many years to call Harriot a ni____.
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 10:15 PM
Jun 2017

Backward looking excuses don't cut it with progressives.

Because it is 2017 already.

Further, if you read my posts in this thread you will see I did NOT ignore the content of the essay.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
53. As I said, I've addressed content & intent in my other posts in this thread, starting w #19.
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 10:39 PM
Jun 2017

Seven (7) hours ago.

yardwork

(61,608 posts)
74. It's more than just a phrase. Read the last sentences in the OP's excerpt:
Sun Jun 18, 2017, 09:02 AM
Jun 2017
....even if there is absolutely no reason for her to be afraid, America will pump bullets into a black body and never miss a minute of sleep in her comfortable bed at home, because America is an evil bitch.

The writer has fully embraced the metaphor of America as an "evil bitch" - a sociopathic female.

Why a female? Why this extensive use of a female metaphor for America? Particularly since the president is a male who embodies all the worst attributes of America.

yardwork

(61,608 posts)
89. Thank you. Aside from the metaphor, I agree with the writer's overall point.
Sun Jun 18, 2017, 09:20 AM
Jun 2017

He's right about America. Our history right up to the present day proves his point.

brush

(53,778 posts)
96. Thank you and others for enightnening me on the use of that phrase. Don't get me started...
Sun Jun 18, 2017, 09:31 AM
Jun 2017

on our countries blood-stained past though.

We've been in wars, involved in coups, occupations and assassinations against POCs CONTINUOUSLY since the end of the 19th century — and more if we add in the Native American and Mexican wars

This book does it much better than I can.

Overthrow: America's Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq is a book published in 2006 by New York Times foreign correspondent and author Stephen Kinzer about the United States's involvement in the overthrow of foreign governments from the late 19th century to the present. According to Kinzer, the first such instance was the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii in 1893, and continuing to America-led invasion of Iraq in 2003. His examples include mini-histories of the U.S.-supported or encouraged coups d'état in Hawaii, Cuba, Puerto Rico, the Philippines, Nicaragua, Honduras, Iran, Guatemala, South Vietnam, Chile, Grenada, Panama, Afghanistan, and Iraq.

Some examples used in the book refer to American support for local rebels against the existing national governments that lead to a change in power. For example, in 1898, the United States helped to overthrow the government of Cuba by supporting local rebels who were already fighting their government. In other circumstances, such as in Iran, Guatemala and Chile, Kinzer argues the United States initiated, planned and orchestrated the regime change.

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss/130-9380391-4928837?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=Overthrow%3A+America%27s+Century+of+Regime+Change+from+Hawaii+to+Iraq

Response to brush (Reply #34)

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
45. From your comments you seemed to indicate that the issue was "A" bad man destrying the country
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 09:39 PM
Jun 2017

"It's a bad man who is destroying the country."

Did you mean to say that it's many men that are destroying the country, not just one? Perhaps i just misunderstood your post.

yardwork

(61,608 posts)
46. Sounds like you misunderstood my post.
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 09:45 PM
Jun 2017

I object to the female metaphor used throughout this column. It's especially ironic, since we tried to elect a female president but got stuck with a violent racist male instead. Trump is certainly not the only bad man in America but he epitomizes much of what is wrong in this country.

I agree with the columnist's anger. I agree with his point about our nation's horrible racism. I don't agree with his choice to describe America as a bad woman. Why a woman?

Response to yardwork (Reply #6)

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
20. Actually, I object to any woman being referred to as a."bitch".
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 03:37 PM
Jun 2017

Last edited Sat Jun 17, 2017, 04:42 PM - Edit history (1)

and no, I don:t care for that other sexist slur, "whore' bring used to characterize America either.

The entire tone of this is ugly and divisive.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
79. Are they necessarily "female metaphors"? As in, "we all know you're a whore. We're
Sun Jun 18, 2017, 09:08 AM
Jun 2017

just bickering over the price." (Line from some movie or book whose title I can't recall.)

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
84. I take your point but wish only to note that, as a matter of usage, countries have
Sun Jun 18, 2017, 09:13 AM
Jun 2017

historically taken the female gender. Witness "God Bless America . . . stand beside her and guide her . . . "

question everything

(47,479 posts)
17. Do you know what you are talking about? Do you know the name of this "white Supremacist"?
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 01:42 PM
Jun 2017

With a name like Jeronimo Yanez?

But, flaming comes so much easier.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
21. +1. Always best to check first before posting.
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 03:41 PM
Jun 2017

Metaphorically an "angry" warrior is a dead warrior. By metaphor I refer to the wisdom of Musashi. There is a lot in what he writes that applies to people engaged in any kind of struggle, including political struggles.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
27. White supremacy is the ideology that claims white people are superior
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 04:02 PM
Jun 2017

Being white is not a requirement. US culture is based in white supremacy. And, a person does not have to explicitly favor white supremacy to be it's enforcer.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
108. Does this man look white to you?
Sun Jun 18, 2017, 02:25 PM
Jun 2017
?preset=534-401

The race baiting/trolling on this forum reeks of desperation.

YCHDT

(962 posts)
113. So I'll take this response as an "I don't know", it doesn't matter prejudice is prejudice and it ...
Sun Jun 18, 2017, 04:25 PM
Jun 2017

... sounds like the young man was being profiled before he was shot

question everything

(47,479 posts)
16. I was not on the jury. I did not even follow the trial
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 01:36 PM
Jun 2017

but even before it was deadlocked. it was 10-2 for not guilty.

I doubt that the writer was there.

And, in contrast to all the other cases cited above, the officer is not white...

But, hey, why not use wide brush stroke put together event which may or may not be connected to inflame?

58Sunliner

(4,386 posts)
65. While you are busy inserting white supremacy or racism into someone else's post,
Sun Jun 18, 2017, 01:00 AM
Jun 2017

based on assumptions that you jumped to, your own innate prejudice may be showing.

brush

(53,778 posts)
71. I don't get how since I'm AA and have posted my digust at the racist verdict on this and...
Sun Jun 18, 2017, 08:48 AM
Jun 2017

other threads.

pbmus

(12,422 posts)
59. Attention to your cause is the spangled dangle to the angle.
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 11:35 PM
Jun 2017

Last edited Sun Jun 18, 2017, 02:03 AM - Edit history (1)

And the more spangled your dangle, the sharper your angle....

The sharper your angle, the bell curve starts to touch your head...

And your inflammation becomes more like raw sewage.

But then you hear someone who really put 2 and 2 together...

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
26. I refuse to wallow in collective guilt
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 03:57 PM
Jun 2017

Acts committed by individuals, even communities which commit heinous acts is NOT America and is certainly not me, an American. If Michael Harriot feels this way, he should leave America and live in another country. As for me, I will stay in America and work towards a society that aspires to be better, hopes to be more than it is today.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
95. You're profiting off the advantages you've secured thanks to 300 years of stolen labor
Sun Jun 18, 2017, 09:30 AM
Jun 2017

from African chattel slave. So it IS you.

thbobby

(1,474 posts)
30. Americans offended
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 04:11 PM
Jun 2017

Your posting is offensive to many Americans. It is also absolutely correct. White Americans can be as offended as they want by your words. We should be because we are all guilty to some degree. Looking in the mirror is very frightening. I am white. I vote. Is my choice of who to vote for shaped by the legal slaughter of Black Americans? Or is it shaped by my healthcare, my finances, or my concerns for myself (or my white privilege)? Looking in the mirror is very painful... and enlightening.

The wanton killing of Black Americans is an American phenomenon. And it has been for all of American History. My role in this is obvious to me when I look deeply into the mirror. How deeply in the mirror do offended White Americans look. Perhaps not deeply enough.

58Sunliner

(4,386 posts)
66. Most people I read are offended by the overt sexism and reek of misogyny.
Sun Jun 18, 2017, 01:12 AM
Jun 2017

How deeply into the mirror does the person who wrote this look as he uses derogatory and demeaning sexist terms? Language like that creates a hostile environment for women. We have had enough bullshit, and are really just effing tired of people telling us that it doesn't mean anything. BS. And any woman who wants to look the other way and post this, should also take a good look.
That being said. I don't know that this officer shot because he was racist. It looked to me like he was unable to have an appropriate response, de-escalate the situation, grossly over-reacted, and was not fit as an officer. He may have felt his life was threatened. Does not, IMO, absolve him of the responsibility.

nolabear

(41,963 posts)
38. That's a stunningly misogynistic set of metaphors.
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 07:03 PM
Jun 2017

All those "female" insults for things that males predominate in.

This is crap.

nolabear

(41,963 posts)
42. Nonsense. I've seen this justifiable rage expressed in far less offensive ways.
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 07:29 PM
Jun 2017

This is righteous anger. I agree with the anger. But the message is lost in a poor choice of metaphors, and that does the cause no good whatsoever.

Solomon

(12,310 posts)
90. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll just protest by just sitting on
Sun Jun 18, 2017, 09:21 AM
Jun 2017

our ass like Colin Kaepernick. That's not offensive right? (Snicker) Like I said, denial ain't just a river in Eqypt.

nolabear

(41,963 posts)
102. What? That doesn't even make sense.
Sun Jun 18, 2017, 10:10 AM
Jun 2017

Fine. You don't care that it's offensive as hell and that the message is obscured by it. If you can't imagine using different terms I don't have to listen.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
103. "Denial" about what? People are objecting to the writer's pervasive metaphor of America not simply
Sun Jun 18, 2017, 10:28 AM
Jun 2017

as "female" (we have expressions such as "Fatherland," "Mother Russia," and "her" for other nations); rather, it is the pejorative female sexual imagery used to express rage about MEN'S CRIMES AGAINST OTHER MEN.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
109. We're objecting to the offensive, misogynistic language.
Sun Jun 18, 2017, 03:05 PM
Jun 2017

It's ugly, wrong, and as others pointed out - obscures the message.

mercuryblues

(14,531 posts)
111. I find the
Sun Jun 18, 2017, 03:11 PM
Jun 2017

Op lacking. Using hateful, misogynistic, terms used to put women in their place to describe racism. Words matter. Because of that, you know what I got out of his column, he is willing to kick women down, while tying to say our justice system sucks. I dare say women know that and would be a natural ally in combatting the injustices. It tells me he has no respect for women. If you do the gratuitous use of sexist slurs would not be so easily used or defended.

out of 1,000 rapes
310 are reported
57 reports lead to arrest
11 are referred to the prosecutor
7 will lead to a conviction
6 will serve time.

https://www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

VOX

(22,976 posts)
54. Misogyny is a vile metaphoric device to use when attempting to right wrongs.
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 10:45 PM
Jun 2017

Like trading a massive heart attack for a disabling stroke.

If I were this guys editor, I'd read him the riot act, and have him start over from scratch.

58Sunliner

(4,386 posts)
57. Why do we keep demonizing something bad as a bitch, as female? A whore? Really?
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 11:31 PM
Jun 2017

It is just a form of misogyny. Who gives a shit what else he has to say because it seems like he needs to pander to his sexism. It's offensive and if this was a racial analogy it would never fly. But women apparently don't have enough status.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
104. "So true"? America is some personification of The Evil Female? In an essay expressing rage at MEN'S
Sun Jun 18, 2017, 10:29 AM
Jun 2017

crimes??

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
112. Right on!
Sun Jun 18, 2017, 03:28 PM
Jun 2017

"America will pump bullets into a black body and never miss a minute of sleep in her comfortable bed at home, because America is an evil bitch."



A righteous rant and, sadly, oh so true.


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