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Grenfell Tower fire: Seventy-nine people feared dead (Original Post) shenmue Jun 2017 OP
... lamp_shade Jun 2017 #1
Mostly immigrants malaise Jun 2017 #2
You can call it gentrification but Renew Deal Jun 2017 #4
You are missing the point malaise Jun 2017 #8
Lives lost because regulations were not enforced csziggy Jun 2017 #11
How Come This Building Didn't Come Down Like The Twin Towers?.....nt global1 Jun 2017 #3
It wasn't hit by an airplane Renew Deal Jun 2017 #5
Lower stresses, 40% of its structure wasn't ripped away NutmegYankee Jun 2017 #6
Uh, because no airliner. MineralMan Jun 2017 #9
This is so sad... Blue_Roses Jun 2017 #7
The money saved on the non-fireproof cladding MineralMan Jun 2017 #10
Yes, I agree. Blue_Roses Jun 2017 #13
+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #12

Renew Deal

(81,873 posts)
4. You can call it gentrification but
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 07:02 AM
Jun 2017

People of like culture have often joined the same community intentionally. How many Chinatowns can you think of? Little Italy? Astoria? Koreatown?

malaise

(269,182 posts)
8. You are missing the point
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 09:10 AM
Jun 2017

Google - check on the non-fire resistant cladding that was used for the gentrification look.

csziggy

(34,138 posts)
11. Lives lost because regulations were not enforced
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 09:30 AM
Jun 2017

From what I've read, regulations required better exterior cladding, required that every apartment be fire walled to withstand fire for an hour, and required fire alarms. No one checked the cladding, no one made sure the fire walls were restored after the refurbishment, and no one made sure fire alarms were functional and audible throughout the building.

Those three things might have saved dozens of lives. A change in policy that did not ask people to stay in place when there was a fire could have helped also but ONLY if the fire alarms had been working and loud enough to be heard inside every apartment.

I hope cities all over the world look at this tragedy and examine why it happened. From what we have been told so far relatively low costs would have saved most of the lives lost and kept so many from serious injuries.

NutmegYankee

(16,201 posts)
6. Lower stresses, 40% of its structure wasn't ripped away
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 07:06 AM
Jun 2017

Fire proofing stayed in place. Conventional designs are also more robust - the towers had a unique design to maximize floor space but it ultimately failed.

Blue_Roses

(12,894 posts)
7. This is so sad...
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 07:20 AM
Jun 2017

I have been keeping up with this story, because it resonates what happens way too often, when things are done on the cheap, especially where less-privileged are concerned. And WHY in the hell were they told to stay put? They didn't have fire safety doors it seems, so why were they told to not leave. Any fire safety expert (that I've ever heard speak about this) would tell you to get the hell out--as fast as you can!

It's so heartbreaking what these people have gone through, along with their grief-stricken relatives.

MineralMan

(146,331 posts)
10. The money saved on the non-fireproof cladding
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 09:22 AM
Jun 2017

for that building is not atypical of public housing projects. Nobody really cares about poor people. That, to me, is the real problem that cost so many lives. Someone should be under arrest, I believe. Perhaps multiple people.

Blue_Roses

(12,894 posts)
13. Yes, I agree.
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 04:04 PM
Jun 2017

The plastic coating on the cladding was highly flammable and they have banned it's use in Germany and the US. Also, I just read this morning that even the high rises in downtown London had banned using it for their buildings. (I need to find that link again for clarity)

I wrote a cynical poem years ago for a writing class about how the "little people" mean nothing in this world...", and at the time it was so poignant in my life. Little did I know that years later that specific poem would be my first thought after hearing this. I had hoped by now we would be better at making sure the "little people" didn't fall through the cracks.

It just breaks my heart.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
12. +1000
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 09:38 AM
Jun 2017

This makes me so angry and sad. So many lives lost and destroyed because the under-privileged aren't considered to be worth the extra expense and effort to keep them safe.

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