My 15-year-old has seen it twice, but I haven't let my 8-year-old see it. Is it OK for kindergarteners? I presume it was given that rating for some reason or another.

My 16 year old daughter went to see WW for the fourth time last night

They will wonder "Why is Wonder Woman sad?" or "Why is he hurting her?"

But there's no bad language, gratuitous violence, gore (other than WW I imagery like you might see on TV) or anything like that.

I guess it would depend on the kindergartner and the parenting style.

She told me one of her students was quoting Deadpool to her a couple months ago, and she's like "stop talking, you did not see that movie."

and one of the moms there was complaining that on the list of movies for her high school freshman son was the movie "Troy", which was rated R. (If I recall, the teacher wanted to show a few scenes from the movie when they studied either The Iliad or The Odyssey, as well as other movies on the subject.)

So, my response was that at least half the kids in that class saw "Deadpool" last year when they were in 8th grade, which I thought was definitely more gratuitous in terms of sex and violence than Troy, so I didn't think Troy was excessive.

I think most kids in middle school can handle an R rated movie if a parent, teacher or responsible adult is there to explain things to them. So, younger kids with PG-13 is fine under supervision.

Spoken as the mom of 2 squeamish girls and grandma to another. Wonder Woman will wow her. The violence is petty take and WW saves the world.

what i do know is that there is a new book out there called "Bedtime stories for Rebel girls"

100 short true stories about women made a difference.

i have a 4 or 5 year old grand daughter who has been a rebel from birth....got the book for her for her birthday
her father is thrilled...he sees it in her too....

I saw it last week and left early.

It was unrealistic and stupid and all of the bang bang bang boom boom boom crap gave me a headache.

I left unimpressed and would never recommend "it" to anyone.

It is a poor example of what women are and what they can become.

It's a comic book movie. It makes no claims to being realistic. That's like seeing Star Wars and saying lightsabers or the Force are unrealistic. Realism isn't the point.

My 73-year-old mother who hates going to the movies saw it with several of her friends -- they all worse WW shirts and tiaras, and loved it.

I would recommend it to everyone.

"It was unrealistic" -- IT IS A SUPERHERO MOVIE

Just because someone doesn't like a movie doesn't mean it isn't good. I hate Pulp Fiction with a vengeance, but it's a good movie.

except Kryptonite?

As far as a poor example of what women are and can become- she's strong, smart, compassionate, dedicated to stopping war and relieving human suffering, confident, a natural leader. Yeah, wouldn't want little girls believing growing up to be like that 🙄

What film were you expecting to see?

Had to take my husband for eye surgery. We had 2+ hrs. to wait until his appt. came up.

I wish I'd gone to see anything else.

Not a movie goer.

Probably wouldn't have found much of anything at the multiplex that would have been enjoyable.

What next?!?!?!?

I wonder how much WW crap they are going to be selling for the next few decades.

Incidentally, the script was written by a man, the character was created by a man, the producer of the film is a man, the co-producer is a man, the executive producers are men. The music in the film was by a man, the cinematographer was a man, the editor was a man, the supervising art director was a man, along with the other eight art directors who were all men.

The Wonder Woman movie is designed with one end in mind - to maximize profits.

Get kids hooked, make them want to buy toys related to the movie, make them want to see future movies with the character.

It is a money machine, created and controlled by men.

Specifically Marvel, which has had a ready made franchise in Black Widow and a big star in Scarlett Johansson.

Maybe you're overrating the "brilliant men" you seem to think have it all figured out!

I don't think Marvel had a good answer for that either. She's a popular character and ScarJo is a well known and charismatic actress. I honestly hope their is a BW movie at least in the planning stages, as I know Marvel likes to plan out things way in advance, but I'm not sure if "Untitled Superhero Movie" is going to be BW or somebody else? Heck, Marvel made a Tier 4 hero like Ant-Man work, why not a Tier 3 like Black Widow?

Strange they'd go with that over a sure established thing.

Which is crazily overstuffed so far; Scarlett Johansson already said one scene had 32 costumed characters in it. Gonna be nuts.

Since she debuted in Iron Man II, Ms. Johannson has done about a billion dollars' worth of box office, yet Marvel doesn't think that she's got the chops to headline a film? Bullshit!

It doesn't help that, according to Marvel, the Black Widow's primary super power is the ability to optimize her boobs and her butt in promotional materials.

Long overdue, but great news! Maybe they needed DC to remind them that a woman is fully capable of kicking ass.

from her first appearance in Iron Man 2. I think she's still stronger than your normal human as well, if I'm not mistaken - something like the Russian version of the super soldier formula? But, it's been years since I read the comics and BW was generally a minor character (guest starring in Spider-Man, Daredevil, etc?)

By the time I stopped reading, Marvel hadn't yet dosed her with the super soldier serum, but they do seem to hint that the mysterious procedures she endured might have been something along those lines.

I've liked Johannson's performance since the beginning, so you don't have to convince me that she kicks ass! But Marvel, which was happy to roll the dice on Ant Man, is afraid to give her a film of her own. Granted, Ant Man was a blast, but Marvel didn't know that when they greenlighted it.

It was gestating for some time with Edgar Wright but kept getting pushed back because of his other projects and inability to blend into the established shared universe. It's a decent example in a sense but a wonky one for those "in the know" about it. Essentially, the film was put into development alongside Iron Man and about three years before Johansson was cast in Iron Man 2.

Realistically, a lot of it just comes down to past performance and overall studio wariness across the board for big budget female led action films. We've had more in the last few years because of things like Hunger Games, but most ~have~ faltered in a big way, like Divergent. Hunger Games propelled Lawrence but Hunger Games succeeded initially because of the strong book fan following.

that DC has shown conclusively that a female superhero film can knock it out of the park.

Black Widow has been a significant-ish character in a number of Marvel films, but always and only in support of the male characters.

I saw street closures for this movie being filmed 2 years ago, not sure what the delay is.

In the same nighborhood where Jessica Jones was filmed.

She's been in one film--and not in a hero role--but Marvel's betting half of the poster on her.

In contrast, Johannson's played The Black Widow in five(?) films so far, and Marvel thinks she's a risky venture?

Wonder woman. Dresses in Red-white-blue and gold. Has superpowers. Always fights for good.

Hard to convince parents to take kindergarteners to see a super-heroine that dresses in black leather (latex?) and is blasting everything with guns. Not to mention the Natasha Romanova character has a dark (evil) background full of murder and betrayal as a soviet spy/assassin. Gee... you're right... I can't imagine why they don't make a PG/PG13 movie for little kids about Black Widow



On a serious note, you could make some pretty good movies with BW as the feature character targeted at the 18+ audience. But that's neither here nor there as it's not really related to the spirit of the original post in this thread - about empowering and inspiring very young girls in the was Wonder Woman does.

That was in 1984:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088206/

Ridiculous.

I don't see too much value in responding to posts with just a +1 type response.

The most interesting threads are the ones with a variety of different, but thoughtful, perspectives.

At least, that's my view.

Are you the type to kick your kids in the ass to get them out the door in the morning?

I feel like it should at least provoke some discussion to contemplate these points, even if one thinks they are invalid.

I am happy to discuss with anyone who has the opposite perspective that I do.

Which is like walking into a group of people talking excitedly about something that they're passionate about (and understand) and just mouthing off about what kind of idiots they are for liking something like this, which it seems like you misunderstand greatly.

Which is common. Several comic book writers and artists that I know when asked what they do for a living are asked things like "They still make those?" "You mean people actually write them?" "I thought they just kept reprinting the same things over and over" among others.

I did not call anyone an idiot or anything of the kind. I just pointed to the fact that there are forces behind this WW entity that view it solely as a profit-making opportunity, and it can be frustrating to watch them take advantage of the desires for young people, particularly young girls, to have heroic role models and use that desire to get them emotionally connected to a franchise at a young age, and then encourage them to get their parents to purchase more and more items related to that franchise.

Evil, disturbing, dark forces...

What you're describing is what's behind pretty much most books, movies, TV shows, and entertainment in general for decades or so.

But please, keep singling out Wonder Woman.

I'll wait for you to do the same next month with spider-man and the fall with Thor. And hopefully some charming things to remind us about with Black Panther next February with how it's a bad thing for young african american boys to get excited about as well.

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And it's understandable why they would, though I would not use those terms. And, of course, it goes without saying that this is not something unique to WW. I am just making the point that WW is just like any other super hero franchise in this regard.

A man was talking about this movie and he was drooling all over himself as he told me how she was the hottest, sexiest woman he'd ever seen. He'd have nailed her right there on the spot could he have done it.

Figures that MEN created this POS.

My husband hated it too btw. He thought is was "sickening". Glad to have such a good man in MY life rather that some pig that loves drooling over fantasy women that are in fact "real". The woman in the movie is very real.

That doesn't define the piece.

both boys AND girls.

He was a psychologist who wanted to make sure a superhero was out there that embodied the best humanity had to offer, and he didn't think either Superman or Batman qualified.

So, really, I think trying to say WW is inauthentic because she was created by a man is really unfair.

What super hero characters can you name that were created by women?

I know Christina Weir has come up with some, but none that have really taken hold.

You won't get any argument from me or any women who work in it.

(See Gail Simone's excellent essay: Women in Refrigerators).

Yes, like nearly every other cultural product of the Western World, comic books have historically been dominated by white men.

But that is changing.

Just in the world in general.

I guess one of my points is to assert that the WW phenomenon is steeped in sexism itself - in particular the cynical exploitation of young girls and adult women by the male power structure in Hollywood in particular but in the US in general in order to create and market a product like the WW franchise which essentially monetizes the "girl power" construct for their benefit.

WW/Diana Prince - going back to the 1990s, has been (in her comics) pro-LGBT, pro-environment, pro-peace, and, as the official Ambassador of Themyscira to the UN, absolutely against misogyny of any kind. (She comes from an all-female society. Men are actually banned from living there! They can visit, however.)

Women writers and artists have been collaborating on WW for decades now. It's not the comic book world of the 40s.

Yes, sexism is still a problem in comics, but the WW franchise is a shining example of what comics can be.

I do get what you are saying - and I probably should focus my criticism more on the film industry and less on comics in general.

LOL

It would be cool if there were women in all/most of the other aforementioned jobs as well.

Can you name any women cinematographers?

Check this out:

Gender bias in the film industry: 75% of blockbuster crews are male

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/jul/22/gender-bias-film-industry-75-percent-male

It is not like there were not strong women in movies before:

Karen (Meryl Streep) Out of Africa 1985

Andie (Molly Ringwald) Pretty in Pink

Erin Brockovitch (Julia Roberts) Erin Brockovitch 2000

Clarice Starling (Jodie Foster) Silence of the Lambs

Ripley (Sigourney Weaver) Alien Franchise

The list goes on....

You're funny.

role model then some fake fantasy girl. Smart kid from the poor side of town who designs her own outfits and doesn't get bullied by those "better" than her.

Or "Pretty in Pink"?

Silence of the Lambs and Alien are R-rated horror movies that I wouldn't even consider showing to anyone younger than a supervised and mature 16-year old.

The reason boys play superheroes is because *they're freaking cool* and do cool stuff and "good" vs "evil" is clearly defined without being too terrifying. Little girls are just now getting in on the fun and it's not a moment too soon.

Seeing them cartwheeling and climbing trees and making lassos and defending the "universe" is going to (IMHO) better their development more so than customizing Barbie's wardrobe.

This movie is important because it is the first real female "super" hero to make the screen - Black Cat (Halle Berry) and Elektra (Jennifer Garner) were not really true heroines in the comic books, as they kind of were more shades of grey in terms of good vs evil. They also didn't have really "super" powers like Wonder Woman. Elektra was an extremely well trained ninja type athlete.

Good lord...

THAT'S the thing.

The character has been popular for decades through branding, TV shows, animated adventures, and comics.

She's just now getting a proper live-action film presentation and people are excited because so many films revolving around female superheroes have either done atrocious because they weren't done right or they're never made.

You can list strong female roles until the cows come home - there are so many great ones including what you listed. But this, THIS touches on a very different nerve than you're attuned to. It's letting the legions of geek girls get something they've craved that they've never had before.

But you kind of half crap on it with a post like this, which I suspect is your privilege showing.

in order to understand why THIS film is impacting them like others you mention and many more have not.

There are critical differences here. Too wave them off shows your privilege.

Brought my two 12 year olds- boy/ girl. From a parent standpoint - not too bad, some innuendo but probably goes above their heads.

Bigger issue, IMO, is that girls and boys should not be learning confidence, resilience, fortitude, perseverance, from a fricken movie. Parents should be teaching and encouraging this.

My girls will never be treated less than any boy or man- they are equals.

In this thread in tearing down a movie and character that mean an awful lot to girls and women.

So, just stop.

I just copied and pasted it from there:

http://www.avclub.com/article/wonder-woman-marketing-takes-depressing-turn-diet--254814

In terms of the movie and the character, I think that cynical marketing types are taking advantage of the circumstance that you describe in order to maximize profits.

Maybe if all profits were donated to charitable organizations to help girls and women around the world, I would have a less jaundiced view.

Like you, I'd call a product something other than what it in fact, is if my narrative demanded it of me. Sweet bias is human nature.

Wonder Woman marketing takes a depressing turn with diet bar tie-in

http://www.avclub.com/article/wonder-woman-marketing-takes-depressing-turn-diet--254814

The product is called "Think Thin" for what that is worth.

But it is fine for a 4th or 5th grader

and I'm over 60 years old for cripes sake!

POS indeed!

Everyone has different tolerances when it comes to violence.

If that has way too much violence i imagine you're not watching much in the way of movies or TV these days.

My response was to a self-proclaimed 60+ year old woman.

There are plenty of great animated adventures of Wonder Woman for the kindergarten set that teach morality plays very well.

That's exactly it to me. And seeing little girls dressed as wonder woman was pretty cool. It's exciting to see their enthusiasm.

As do my granddaughters. I think it matters whether a viewer is a comic book reader or not. My adult grandsons are comic and superhero experts, and they say WW is a good movie. I haven't read a comic since Archie and Veronica, but I tried to watch WW as a superhero movie and not one that strived for realism. Why go into a movie where you knew the star could fly, and grumble that it wasn't realistic?

It has earned $5.45 million on its 19th day of domestic theatrical release (+13% from Monday, -38% from last Tuesday), bringing its domestic total to $285.354m thus far. It means the Gal Gadot origin story will be topping Henry Cavill's Superman origin story ($291m in 2013) today or tomorrow. Oh, and with $305m overseas as of Monday (so $590.54m worldwide plus whatever it made overseas on Tuesday), it'll probably cross $600m worldwide today or super-duper-early tomorrow.

It's on its way to possibly being the leggiest $100 million+ opener ever, the leggiest comic book superhero movie of all time and (definitely) the biggest movie directed by a (solo) female director of all time here and abroad (even adjusted for inflation in the States).

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/06/21/box-office-wonder-woman-is-about-to-cross-600-million-worldwide/#379c5f893ee0