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The method for hand counting at the polls has a built in audit that happens immediately - which is the safest.

It's great to go to paper ballots, but what's to stop them from voting multiple times, or voting for the dead, or even people who don't even live in a particular state voting out of state? We should follow Mexico's lead and have a voter ID card.

And have it be meaningful? It's silly to claim it's an issue.

...who knows what they'll come up with. You know how much money the Koch brothers have, and how much more they can get. I wouldn't put it past them to pay people to vote in close states, that's all. I'm not trying to push the old GOP lie that a million undocumented immigrants are voting, but if we're going to lock it down, then let's lock it down.

ballot transport, that would be ideal. Not sure what you mean by verifiable audit trail. Fight for what is transparent. Don't compromise!! Good luck!

on edit: I recommend including your Sec'y of State and your county elections official as well

what it was (electronic, paper, optical scanner, by a reader, or punch card(god forbid anyone is still using those), all the way through to it's final tally result. We are both talking about the same thing. AFAIK this is usually done by attaching a printer to the electronic voting machine that produces a master list AND a receipt for the voter to confirm the votes they cast. I already know the excuse I'm going to get. "It costs too much and we can't afford it!" My response of course is "Altered votes cost us a lot more!" Er Georgians haven't had confidence in our vote count since the electronic voting was installed back in 2002!

strength in numbers if you hook up with them, perhaps! Check out this link:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029131536

in order to get a comprehensive recount comparing the paper to the machines totals, you must first prove that there is a reason (a discrepancy between the totals), and you can't prove there is a discrepancy until you've had the recount, so it's a catch-22. audits are also very limited and seems to me that an audit function would be about the easiest thing for a hacker to defeat. bottom line is we need all paper ballots, all hand-counted, the first time, on election night.

WAIT for humans to count all those ballots, and the media would flat out freak! The answer must be some enhancement of the electronic voting. There IS A WAY! We use similar systems to operate our banking system, health care. stock, market, and every other system the entire world economy relies on.

totally secure, verified, all-paper elections are a prerequisite for everything else.

Dems need to quit beating themselves up over something that they have no control over. As long as the vote is counted on the unverifiable DREs and voter suppression is rampant, there's no way Dems are going to win any close election. It's time Dems aimed their energies at something that's relevant and it's not money. Dems had plenty of do-re-me for Ossoff. The problem as the poster indicates was and is the DREs and voter suppression. We need to start ranting about something that is based in reality.