Now the republicans can take back the jobs from the illegals.

(sarcasm thingie goes here)

poor cows and calves, soon to be ground beef & dog food- milk+++ hormones and all.

Your post suggests the answer is no.

This is going to hurt. Bigly. The republicans are offering a hate-driven kick in the ass to the people who work in the fields, in the meat-packing plants, in the canning factories, in the dairies, and so forth. They are leaving.

This is going to hurt. Hugely. And it is all on the freaking republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief, Comrade Casino, and his republican Cabal of Colluding Cronies.

Not just sad. Tragic.

if I remember the number correctly, about 7% think chocolate milk comes from brown cows.

Our Saudi pals find plenty of American water for their crops

(Arizona is supposedly a very conservative state.)

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/debate-spreads-about-saudi-dairy-drilling-wells-in-arid-arizona/?utm_source=Reveal%20Newsletters&utm_campaign=01322dac59-The_Weekly_Reveal_11_19_15&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c38de7c444-01322dac59-229918333

Debate spreads about Saudi dairy drilling wells in arid Arizona

The American dairy won't be able to replace them. Tehuacán

- their "labor" is being removed
- their "subsidies" will soon be removed so that the money can be pocketed by billionaires
- their healthcare access (including facilities) will be removed
- the regulations keeping their farms somewhat protected from toxins, are being removed

Maybe just maybe, they will sit home and not keep reliably voting for Republicans in order to spite someone else (they are too proud to vote for Democrats at this stage but perhaps one day).

thanks to the republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief and his Cabal of Complicit Comrades.

If he tinkers with the "Farm Bill" (which is up for renewal in FY19 I believe), that is where all those subsidies are (as well as SNAP).

And if you look at it, it also contains many "conservation" provisions to protect watersheds and other water resources, grazing land, forests, etc. - things the current GOP loons and billionaires hate.

leaving commercial farmers to buy them out for next to nothing. The farm waste run off will pollute drinking water sources. With no EPA to prevent it or push for a cleanup. Instead we'll have PSAs telling us how roundup makes your children grow taller and faster.

For decades Democrats have been saving republicans from their "utopia" Now they have it, lock, stock, and barrel. Too bad their "utopia" will kill us all, one way or another.

eat swiss chocolate

But long term farming will likely shift to controlled environments with plants being grown in towers and animals in towers that give the animals access to walking around room and sunshine when they want it. Higher food prices will just bring the future on faster.

No thank you. You are welcome to consume my ration units.

Some people will consume 'old farm' meat milk and produce. But as is always the case, the majority of people will buy the less expensive products.

Have you looked at tomatoes in your local supermarket lately? Tell me when you find one from an old line ground plant. Even Mexico is losing hot to hothouse tomatoes grown under specially tuned grow lights year round. I am not saying that I like the system, if I had the time I would grow my own produce.

Also, BTW, some tower produce will be highly specialize, like 100% assurance that it and the seeds it came from are non GMO and contain no bad chemicals.

Coal miners...

Perhaps the Trumpista dairy owners can place ads in coal country offering jobs to Trumpista miners?

Fabulous idea. Expect a job offer soon from the republican Draft Dodger in Chief. The republicans will want you for Commissar of Prole Retraining.

slavery is legal in America, due to the USA 13th amendment loophole.



"Remember, everything hitler did was legal" MLK

Our lord and savior Donald J. Trump better do something fast before someone takes his 2 scoops away.

Why is that? If the dairy owner really liked and valued his employees, couldn't he have helped them gain citizenship? Why was he so blase all these years, knowing they could be deported at any time? I suspect it's because he was using them to keep his costs way down.

What's funny is that I'd bet money that the owner voted for Trump. The guy who was gonna deport everybody. Major disconnect there.

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I noticed the same thing....bad reporting...I live in Western Wisconsin...two big dairies near the village I live, both employ a lot of undocumented workers from Mexico...both had huge Trump for President signs on their properties...complete disconnect

gives it power. For that matter, your simple observation has it also.

Welcome to DU, YA.

They can't apply for citizenship until and unless they are admitted legally to the United States. To do that they would have to return to Mexico and apply for some type of visa. The only visa for which they would be qualified is an Agricultural Worker's Visa which doesn't allow them to convert it to a Permanent Resident status (i.e. Green Card) which is a precursor to applying for citizenship. So, the long answer to a short question is that even if he'd wanted to help them there's no way for him to do it.

and main long term workers are Americans or legal migrant seasonal workers. There's much better opportunity for an experienced dairy manager in Mexico to OWN their own "family" small business/farm/dairy.

Be careful what you wish/vote for idiots!

These communities will see their "good church-going but down on their luck" neighbors - white, black, doesn't matter - up on an sheriff's auction block on "week labor" contracts to work off their fines and legal levies on corporate farms and slaughterhouses - the work the undocumented used to do.

Their "high-spirited" teenaged or 20-something sons and daughters will end up losing any hope of going somewhere after college and spend months working right next to "those people" instead of getting the typical slap on the wrist their parents did because of a "youthful indiscretion".

Corporate farms, processing, and resource extraction industries (and many light manufacturing/service industries) needed those undocumented workers working under the table or for minimum wages to maintain their revenue instead of paying living/union wages, benefits, and the taxes that go along with having large number of higher paid employees.
Prison labor - having to pay only $1.00 or $2.00 an hour and also getting a subsidy from the government - is even better than undocumented worker. The only issue is that there currently aren't enough "honor" or work release prisoners available to do the work than there are undocumenteds desperate for a job.

Bring back debtor's prisons, increase the amount of misdemeanors and minor crimes that can catch the unlucky or unwary, require maximum sentencing along with a requirement that the prisoner/criminal *pay* for their own representation and incarceration, and you can get a lot more prisoners to be "farmed out" to the corporations.

Y'all know that's what the GOP wants. And if they can also make this country a Theocracy, they can basically dis-enfranchise and jail tens of millions of "unbelievers" with their pseudo "Levitican" laws to sell to their corporate masters.

When profits run the country and Labor is considered "fungible", Citizens become disposable.

Haele

My home state is simply not the friendly place it used to be. It used to be harsh feelings were kept under your hat and unkind words were kept in your mouth, the polite thing to do. It was de rigour to be kind to strangers and helpful to all. Not anymore. They openly hate Mexicans, immigrants, Muslims, Hmongs, POC, and ESPECIALLY strangers or anyone from out of whatever small town you are in. This didn't start with Trump, it goes back to RW hate Radio days. Walker, then Trump magnified it.

I routinely travel to my old homeland 4-6 times for business and vacation. The folks from out of state that I would bring with me would invariably comment how friendly the folks were, and they indeed used to be. In the last 2 years over 8 visits I have not heard this unprompted comment from my guests. In fact the opposite. On FB, my cheesehead ex-pats have noticed the same thing.

While openly reveling in the fact that something like 9 of the top 10 drunkest places are in Wisconsin or there are more bars per capita than elsewhere,, some are quick to point out that over half of the traffic fatalities are alcohol related, and just what is the cause and effect of this alcohol abuse? A bunch of surly and brain soaked drunks do not make a good impression.

You see it on DO too. There used to be dozens of active, engaging and gregarious WI DUers. Now not so much. The irony to me is that DUers from Florida ( another old home of mine) are now among the most active& open DUers.

Gay is not the only thing folks keep in closets
In se Wisconsin black were the target
Up north? Native American reservations
Central? Migrant Farmers I guess. I remember stopping for groceries in wautoma years ago with my parents. My blessed liberal mom refused to go into stores that had no Mexican signs in the windows..this would have been late 50s to early 60s?
My dad was hungry and pissed. I remember my mom had to spell it out to me-i was pretty young and stupid...my father not being stupid backed down and I don't what we did but we didn't shop there.
As for alcohol? Always been the drug of choice. Always been plentiful and cheap.
I talk to my kids more about alcohol than other drugs cause well that is what we do...
Our baseball team is the Brewers for fuck sake

especially in the rural areas. But mostly out of simple Midwestern kindness, harsh things were kept inside or between close friends. RW hate radio broadcasting across the hinterlands helped to bring hatred in the open.

The broader point is this, while we, and some farmers, are lamenting the plight&loss of the immigrant workers, Wisconsinites are likely saying: Lets get the Muslims next, then all them homosexuals in Madison

I'm from wisconsin, there is some truth to what you say...however I don't appreciate the broad generalizations. The top drunk places are mainly blue college towns and the characterizations are misleading...still the place has gone to hell but I place most of the blame on the ridiculous voting patterns in Waukesha, Ozaukee and Washington counties.

When you are entertaining business clients and guests and your previous expectations of civility are tarnished it is deflating.

As far as the drunkest cities, I had to look it up. 10 of top 20 are from Wisconsin. Of those 4 are college towns by my estimation.

My bad experiences occurred in none of them but involved over consumption of alcohol which led to unnecessary and ugly incidents and unprovoked confrontations with my guests and family.

Whatever happened to beer making people jolly

I left the state in 1970. It is definitely a totally different state politically. So glad I don't live there anymore.

The article says they came here illegally to work the dairy farms, they're not migrant workers here on a work visa.

And your point would be?

preferring to "let 'em ride".

this issue very well and choose to use more courteous terms.

As a newcomer to this discussion, it might help to understand that, though we are speaking of migrant people who have entered the country illegally to work, we feel language that does not lump honest workers in with criminals is both far more honest and appropriate and at least strives to maintain basic decency -- something shockingly under attack at this point in history.

It might be good to check out the Terms of Service we all agree to.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

They thought immigrants were a problem, taking away jobs, etc.

In fact, immigrants have been the backbone of many businesses,
including their own.

Farms, for example; service jobs, for example; and so many others.

I'm sure many people who now need immigrants voted Reep.

The lack of education and the ability to think critically has come to
bite them in the ass, and all of us with them.

Not looking forward to the food shortages and price increases.

But hey! I'm sure we can import more food products from South America!

on those farms that can afford it.

With migrant workers gone, Hedge Fund operations will move in, consolidate small farms to create big corporate dairy farms where cows are milked and fed by robots and when a cow can no longer produce X gallons of milk a week, it gets sold off as hamburger.

It may be wrong to say this but I will tolerate higher prices at the grocery store if that results from the bigots losing their farms because they backed the heartless a-hole who promised to deport those fine, upstanding laborers seeking a better life.

Growing up in the Wisconsin Dairy Farming business,and having watched how the Mom and Pop Farms morph into Mega Dairy operations that are now being owned by Dutch and other European owners,we hit the Labor needs wall. First off,know of the Family Mentioned in the story. And these are not the only ones who are seeing their Labor simple walking because of personal safety. And the Climate in Many of the Small Towns in and around Pepin has gotten so bitter towards anyone who is not Caucasian.

Observed this last summer when we visited my Hometown which is about 50 miles north north east of Pepin. Stopped for a Burger at the local roadside Greasy Spoon,a Hispanic fellow and his family came in behind us,the owner who we knew went off on them. Needless to say,I got in his face and reminded him that his demeanor was way out of line. And if his father was still alive,he would kick the crap out of him for acting so stupid and bigoted.

Never thought we would see this happen in my old Hometown,talk about shaken,wow. Needless to say we left and vowed to never go back to the Town again.

I hope the artisan cheese makers and organic/sustainable/grass fed animal producing farms and farmers survive. I have no sympathy if a few conservatively owned megadairies and farms go under because they can no longer exploit undocumented labor.