Both happened even on GA6 this last election.

should be highly illegal. District lines should never be redrawn to favor parties. It's a ridiculous system that allows votes to be rigged. The Electoral College is questionable too. But how would any of this be reformed. I don't trust our politicians to be fair, at least not the cheating lying GOP.

There is a case before SCOTUS that gives me hope.

is otherwise called "state borders."

Much of that is modern--how people, communities, and economies developed over the last 100-200 years.

other voters...it is before SCOTUS now...and for the first time there is method that can be used to determine which districts are gerrymandered. The GOP took the states in 10 and controlled the census which mean they got to redistrict for 10 years...they immediately began cheating by gerrymandering districts. We would have had the house long ago except for the gerrymander. We need to win state elections to put a stop to this by 2020 in case the rightie court rules against us...imagine if Clinton had won; we would have another justice.

Gerrymandering only really affects House seats and some state legislatures. But just look at governors and Senators and you'll see there is little reason to believe there'd be wholesale changes. However, the House would look massively different, for no other reason than Texas alone. It's not hard to see 20 or so seats switching without gerrymandering in place. Even more so, even those seats that stay GOP, one can see alot of them not being the most crazy ass, idiot producing republican that can be found, but instead being something more of the "moderate" or at least shall we say "intelligent" type.

At the core that is the real problem with gerrymandering. It hurts the GOP as much as the democrats. They've lost control of their own party, especially in the light of Citizens United, because these "safe seats" are safe even for the craziest of all. It stifles debate and suppresses different points of view. And it has had democrats "looking for cover" on issues like abortion, gay marriage, guns, etc, instead of being free to at least have the debate.

elected?

One wouldn't know it, but the GOP is actually the minority party in this country, and it is only getting worse. Because of that they need to use voter suppression and gerrymandering. They also need "fake news" and Fox News, or they lose. Go to Snopes and look in the political section. The vast majority of the urban legends are right wing because the truth isn't on their side. Reality isn't on their side. Heck, the arc of history isn't on their side. The demographics are going away from them. Texas is about 10 years from being "blue".

If you look at the end of Jim Crow, the proponents go more radical as the end approached. They used the power of government more and more as the power of social convention started to fail them. Shrinking majorities that are becoming minorities often (always?) turn violent towards the end. They are starting to lose gerrymandering cases around the country. They are losing voter suppression cases around the country. They'll try harder, right before they collapse. They'll probably get (more) violent too.

My wonder has always been, what will the collapse look like? The GOP rose from the ashes of the Whig party. But in this modern world, the GOP provides a structure (and money) that can be co-opted by anyone (look at Trump) so I don't really see a "new" party forming. If you look at the democrats starting with Wilson and ending with LBJ, it was a MASSIVE transformation. Could we be seeing the beginnings of such a transformation? Heck are we in the middle of one that started with Reagan? God knows that Ike wouldn't recognize his own party.

I don't think the party can sustain itself, long term, on these "dirty tricks". They are too dangerous in the long run. Trump, and his Russia problem, if it pans out like I think it will, could be a huge downfall for them. It could make their basket of "tricks" so toxic they won't be able to use them anymore (well, except for Fox News). But we'll see.

time?

When slavery was collapsing (for alot of reasons including economics) what happened? Talk about "lashing out". In domestic violence, when the abused starts resisting the control of the abuser, it is usually when the physical abuse starts. If the resistance increases, the abuse will increase, occasionally to the point of lethal force. Ask any middle school teacher about resistant children. As their behavior is confronted, the initial response is usually to INCREASE the resistance.

Wanna hear a funny one, they've done studies on stock/commodity trading. Traders, once they realize they are in a bubble that is near bursting, will increase their trading. They know it's about to burst, but they want one more trade.....

It's the "doubling down" problem. It's often associated with gambling where the gambler convinces themselves that "just one more bet" will solve whatever problem. In investing, the lesson is often taught that you have to always be ready to let go of a bad investment, the sooner the better. But ego gets in the way and so they "ride it all the way down". It poker the lesson is often told to "fold sooner than later". i.e. it makes no sense to stay in a bad hand, only to ultimately fold. Yet it is the most common mistake. Good money after bad.

In politics, it is often expressed in terms of "it didn't work because there wasn't enough". The budget wasn't big enough, the program wasn't big enough, something else was bigger and prevented success. The problem is that most often it's that a good idea just wasn't going to work in the "real world", i.e. in a world were the perfect budget, or perfect bureaucrats, don't exist. If you can't achieve some measure of success in an imperfect world, you're never going to achieve some measure of success.

The GOP has been failing for 30 years. Despite all of their claims, their efforts never produce the results promised. Trickle down didn't. A rising tide didn't raise all boats. Tax cuts don't increase revenues. Cutting taxes on the "job creators" doesn't create jobs. But they just keep doubling down on failure, because somehow the "next guy" will finally be perfect enough for it all to finally work.

Trump got elected because the lower middle class stopped buying what the GOP was selling. Trump was selling a different piece of fiction. And so they bought that. The conservative wing is in a bit of a panic because they no longer feel in actual control. They'll try to get Trump to sign their crap, and he probably will. But both Trump and the voters are gonna be pissed when they haven't gotten "tired of winning". Unfortunately, they'll probably just move on to the next snake oil salesman.

When only the "majority" -had a majorly say over "minorities"

Having POC get Obama elected 2X was a wake-up call for them and hence the need for a last stance.

We saw this in boxing and basketball. There were these final efforts to produce all white teams or the champion "white" boxer. In boxing it got to be called the "great white hope", as if somehow being the last white guy to make a living getting their brains beat out was some huge accomplishment. Ultimately, the entire concept goes away. Not since the '85 Celtics has anyone cared how many "white" guys are on a basketball team. Well, no one except the rabid racists. They'll always care.

or middle management at a hospital, if it were not for the Wisconsin gerrymander. His district looks like a fricking seahorse.