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judy

(1,942 posts)
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 11:54 AM Jun 2017

Why the silence on Interstate Crosscheck??

Greg Palast and Thom Hartmann had called the results of the GA6 election, as they knew Karen Handel was a voter suppression pioneer, and had been Secretary of State in GA, wielding Interstate Crosscheck like a sword...
Ossoff, while still too middle of the road to be truly effective, -I am one of those people who believe Bernie Sanders would have won the Presidential election by a landslide, hence just like Obama's, not easily stolen - why are Democrats so irate at Sanders, when he represents their best chance of winning???- was way ahead in April, then ahead in the polls before the runoff, and then like so many times in the past (remember Bush vs. Kerry in 2004?) wooosh!! The Republican candidate wins!

It is time to take a serious look at voter suppression, Interstate Crosscheck, and Gerrymandering. Otherwise, listening to Nancy Pelosi say how the Dems will win in 2018 makes me tremble. They have no chance unless these issues are addressed.
But the silence, even on MSNBC (Rachel? Lawrence?) is deafening.

I am sorry Greg Palast felt that his movie "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy" had to be "entertaining"...it dilutes the subject and actually makes it a little boring. I wish he would recut it as a serious documentary, it would have much more impact.
I feel very powerless, and anxious about 2018 which I regard as our best chance against the kleptocracy.
How can we turn the spotlight on election theft, electronic voting machines, and how voters unfortunately have become used to these gimmicks without ever questioning the system

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Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
1. It's a powerful, awfully effective tool for Voter Suppression. Many false negatives.
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 12:17 PM
Jun 2017

Knocks people off in both localities if they have an old registration and then they have to fight to get back on in the new one.

Often without notice, so they show up at the polls and are denied a vote.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
2. The Supreme Court is taking up a case on gerrymandering. Let's hope they show some judgement in
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 12:20 PM
Jun 2017

their ruling, as they have on a few issues lately. Gerrymandering is an issue, but not one that hasn't been around for decades.

As to InterCheck, most (I'd bet 99%) of the names removed from the voter rolls were people who have moved from the area and would not be voting there anymore. The real test to me as to whether CrossCheck had any significant impact on voting is how many people arrived at the polls but were turned away because their registration was removed. To date, I have not seen any evidence of that happening. Not one complaint from the 6th last night either, I bet.

There are millions of voters who move and don't tell the local voter registration agency. I've done it, bet most of us have. If there were no crosschecking or purging after someone hasn't voted in 10 years or whatever, there would be long, irrelevant, voter registration lists everywhere. In fact, it would theoretically allow me to vote where I live now and in local elections everywhere else I've lived, if I were inclined to do so. Same for GOPers.

If you voted in 2016 or even 2012, you are likely still registered where you voted. If you haven't voted in a long time, you need to check to see if you are registered before showing up at the polls. That is something local Democratic organizations should be helping voters with. Don't know for sure, but I bet a few Democratic "operatives" could go to key places -- community centers, etc. -- and set up a computer to check peoples' registration.

Heck, in the 6th District a judge gave us an extra month to register people after the April 2017 special election. Trump's negative effect, the extra month to register, and probably one of the easiest voting environments in the USA -- mail in ballots, month of early voting, IDs can be practically anything including utility bills, etc. -- didn't help us win in a district that has been electing deplorables like Newt Gingrich and Tom Price for decades.


At some point, we are going to have to stop looking for easy fixes/excuses to losing.

Blaming election fraud and stuff ain't going to help us. In fact, it makes us look like a bunch of delusional whiners. I'm all for monitoring elections closer, but it's not like they aren't monitored now, notwithstanding the current memes on the election system.

Electing Democrats in local elections is the surest way to offset past gerrymandering that hurts us. Again, hopefully the Supreme Court's ruling will help.

themaguffin

(3,826 posts)
3. Let's please stop saying Bernie would have won. He was not subjected to
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 01:08 PM
Jun 2017

the GOP machine. They had opp research on him and of course their usual bag of tricks.

judy

(1,942 posts)
4. Good point, though quite discouraging...
Thu Jun 22, 2017, 01:28 PM
Jun 2017

if they can always play their tricks and beat any opponent
However, I remember that Barack Hussein Obama won twice, in spite of all that, plus racial hatred. If you are truly supported by the grassroots, not even the Republican Machine can stop you.
It gives me hope, and reinforces my thinking that Bernie would have won...

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