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La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 02:22 PM Jun 2017

We are not going to win in deep red districts

Even when trump is unpopular, unless there is a huge crisis (war with many Americans dead, financial meltdown etc.)


But after the election we resolved to run democrats and give them support in each district.

Osoff and Purnell played their parts well, we need to develop a stomach for some disappointments and not turn at every loss. Price won by 24 points a few months ago, Handel will win by 3 points.

Yes, we did not win and will not win in every district but we said we wanted to run in them all, so we need to develop a stomach for losing some high profile ones.

In 2018 there are many seats hrc won that are occupied by GOP, hopefully those are the ones we can turn.

In the meanwhile, I really don't get the anguish over GA 6.

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GoCubsGo

(32,083 posts)
15. Unfortunately, "knee jerk reactions" is typical of this place.
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:05 PM
Jun 2017

Light the hair on fire. Gnash the teeth. Wring the hands. Point fingers. Lay blame. Rinse. Lather. Repeat. It's the same thing every fucking time.

FigTree

(347 posts)
2. I believe it will take a generalized bankrupcy.
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 02:33 PM
Jun 2017

Failure is already well under way in social, cultural and scientific areas. Once the economic and financial begin to tilt, things will go fast. And red districts (lumpen proletariat) will go back to their usual levels of +/- 30%. It is unfortunate, deplorable really, but that's where America is.

 

_BravoMan_

(27 posts)
3. Maybe, just maybe....
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 02:38 PM
Jun 2017

The DCCC needs to stop interfering with the candidates' plans and issues. Ossoff had a chance by running a progressive campaign, but since the DCCC co-opted the campaign and spent $200 per voter (as opposed to Quist's $3.85 per voter), DCCC needs to stay out of all 2018 candidates who are progressive Democrats and not infected with Third Way ideology, then maybe the candidates has a chance.

Harry S Truman had it right: Given the choice between a Republican-Lite (Third Way Democrats) and Republican, they will always go to the authentic Republican. Again, the voters did not have much of a choice on how they want to go, it was right-wing vs right-wing campaign.

Ossoff abandoning the concept of Medicare for All is what lost his election among several factors.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
4. You still don't get it.
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 02:45 PM
Jun 2017

A progressive will not win in a republican +10 district, even if that person crapped out free gold bricks. A moderate campaign with economic development at it's core has a chance to win.

BTW, the DNC DID NOT take over Ossoff's campaign. He got pretty much all of his money from online donations.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
17. No, there is ZERO evidence for your thought that Ossoff lost because he
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:18 PM
Jun 2017

abandoned Medicare for All.

He lost because he was running as a Democrat in a red district that Newt Gingrich had once held, a district that hadn't had a Democrat since the 70's.

Even so, he came remarkably close in this red district, and this bodes well for the swing states in 2018.

gateley

(62,683 posts)
7. Uh oh -- shhhhh. Don't tell Christine Pellegrino and Edith Desmarais.
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 04:11 PM
Jun 2017

And I'll work on getting over the losing 4/4 races and just tell myself "can't win 'em all".

I'm tired of it. I'm tired of the cheerleading and the "we came so close" . Bottom line, we end up handing the Republicans another vote to bring to DC and bludgeon us with.

That's where my anguish and fury come from. I understand I'm being a bitch, but I feel downright evil I'm so fed up.

Whiskeytide

(4,461 posts)
14. Don't forget that these four congressional seats ...
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:04 PM
Jun 2017

... were considered super-duper "safe" by the RNC, and therefore suitable for easy win special elections when their elected occupants accepted admin positions. Trump would not have been allowed to appoint them - or at least would have been counseled against appointing them - otherwise. The fact that they were even close is a somewhat foreboding sign for the republicans. It would have been nice to win one, but it would have been the political equivalent of getting struck by lightening while picking up your lottery winnings.

gateley

(62,683 posts)
16. But honestly, we DID come THIS CLOSE -- we could have done it, we just never go that
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:09 PM
Jun 2017

last inch or whatever. I heard one person say when she heard that the early mail-in votes were so close, she decided she'd better get down to vote. How many people DIDN'T bother to climb into the car? I'm sorry. Truly. But I've been banging the drum and rallying since 2004 I'm discouraged. The Republicans answered the call to arms. We didn't -- and historically we don't. Look who's in the White House.

Whiskeytide

(4,461 posts)
18. I hear you. All good and true points ...
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 06:47 PM
Jun 2017

... we don't march in lock-step like the republicans usually do. The 2009 Tea Party break-off spurred by ODS was the first time in my lifetime there seemed to be a rift in their base. Otherwise, they close ranks remarkably well.

But - the ass in the WH is slowly revealing himself. True - his supporters will never waiver. They're a lost cause. But the anti-establishment independents who voted for Trump's "I'm not a politician" and "I'll drain the swamp" and "I'm already rich so I can't be bought" BS - some I know are already horrified by his incompetence, disrespect for our allies, our institutions and the rule of law, and by the Russian connections. They will not vote for him again - and some will reject his agenda altogether. I think there are more of them out there than we suspect.

Trump is his own worst enemy. Let him keep Trumpin'. I think by 2018 he will be toxic to many voters!

YCHDT

(962 posts)
10. K&R for most of the districts but I think we can pull off 20% of the deepest red ones if the Ossoff
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 04:28 PM
Jun 2017

... movement is repeated

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
11. That might change overnight. When the truth outs .....
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 04:44 PM
Jun 2017

who knows what is coming once all the classified details are revealed.

meow2u3

(24,764 posts)
12. We might not be able to win in ruby red districts
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 04:51 PM
Jun 2017

but we sure as hell came close. We lost in districts by single digits (in terms of percentage points) where we were trounced--by over 20 percentage points--last year.

So there is hope for us in swing districts that went red (or pink). Don't despair. Don't give up.

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