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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA few thoughts on GA-6 from someone living one district over & helped on the ground
Statewide we generally find a cap on Democrats around 45%, the fact that Ossoff bust through that at 47-48% is progress. The turnout here surpassed off year general elections. I think civically that's good, but reality is there's just more Republicans than Democrats in that district. For outsiders suspicious of the results, here's Occam's razor: First round Ossoff pulled about 48%, other Dems got 1% and the Republican field had 51-52%. They saw ~20 candidates running and were over confident it was going to a runoff, so they were asleep at the wheel. Then they rallied the troops and voted in a red district in a red state and that brought Ossof down from 48% to where he ultimately settled. The polls in the last week showed Handel closing strongly and last 3 polls showed her roughly tied or 2 pts ahead and those that hadn't early voted yet, were planned to vote Handel by about 8-12 points.
A lot of Democrats also probably misread the district in terms of the Trump only winning by 1-2%. This is conservative Newt Gingrich territory and Erick "Never Trump" Erickson's base of support is largely here. I think Trump faired poorly here because there was a contingent that viewed him as not conservative enough and that led to folks on the R side sitting out or voting Johnson instead of Trump which made it look deceptively closer than it actually was for Dems. So feel criticism of Ossoff underperforming Clinton margins here is a bit unfair.
We've got a lot of unregistered voters (and the recent ICE raids made tapping into the Latino community for new voters more challenging) that we still need to tap into moving forward (and the report of 40k new voter registrations not being accounted for is troubling) and demographics are shifting, but we're still looking at probably a decade or so before the demographics will make this a true purple state. So in the interim we either need to tweak our message or understand it's going to take a number of years to expect to produce a win just counting on demographics. Ossoff did about as well as a Democrat is going to do in a conservative district in Georgia. Even the Our Revolution GA folks got behind him (individually) and were helping as canvas captains and phone bankers because Ossoff was best shot for Democrats here, but the gerrymandered districts and 50%+1 thresholds are killers for D success in GA right now.
That said it wasn't a flawless campaign and there's a couple takeaways:
- Live in your district. It's a really easy "othering" technique for Republicans. Fairly easy to mitigate. Ossoff chose not to. They hammered him for it. Don't think it swayed much vote wise, but it's a needless distraction and takes time away from you delivering your message if you're having to counter/explain this instead. (The old "If you're explaining, you're losing" philosophy)
- The Republicans blasted ads that he was tied to Nancy Pelosi/San Fran values. We need an effective counter. "Yes Nancy Pelosi stands for X Y and Z and I'm proud to join her in support of those positions". Every Dem in 2018 is going to get hammered with ads saying "a vote for them is a vote for Nancy Pelosi" whether they are the next Elizabeth Warren or the next Joe Manchin. (I know there's some rumblings of trying to get Pelosi to say she won't run for leadership again to try to mitigate this attack, but I don't think that's effective, as they'll just move on and make it "a vote for X is a vote for Chuck Schumer" instead) All our candidates need to be prepared for how to counter that effectively. Ignoring it is probably a bad strategy.
- If you're spending money on tv ads where the main focus is "go to our website to see our policy" you're just lighting money on fire. If you can't explain the highlights of your position in 30/60/90 seconds, your position is too wonky. Scrap it or keep refining it until you can (also applies to Q&A/debates) . TV is passive viewing. Bring your message to the viewer, don't expect them to put in the work to go to your message.
- I don't have the internal pollings/focus group results on their messaging effectiveness, but the push on the Ossoff tv campaign was primarily on government waste. I know it's a Republican district, but who exactly is that targeted to or resonating with? You are running for the district of the guy who largely wrote the Republican healthcare bill that's projected to take away 20M nationally and 1M Georgians health care that Republican House members jammed through without waiting for the CBO score to understand that impact and without holding any public hearings, and you couldn't cut a single ad on that? I get that it's tough to call out the plan of the guy that the district voted +20 on, but find an angle to at least hang the Republican process around Handel's neck.
-This "we're going to trade 1 blue collar workers for 2 suburban white collar moderate Republicans" plan needs to end. Now. Two very expensive races have now shown that the ratio is completely off.
Now the good takeaway:
These past 5 races are all races that were thought to be safe Republican districts. That Republicans are having to spend money to defend them is a good thing, that they're close is even better. Building Dem infrastructure in these districts is also a very good thing. These were all races stacked against Dems in R+10-R+20 type districts. (I may be slightly off on that range) Yes we're 0-5, and no, moral victories aren't good enough, and we need to put some Ws on the board, but the consistent shift of 15 pts is heartening for 2018 House prospects when we get to start challenging R+1-R+9 type districts. It's important not to get too disheartened and stay active. Some of this is 50 state strategy. We're not going to win everywhere, but giving attention to these R strongholds builds energy for the Ds there to hopefully develop to where these can become competitive places (even if that's only in the far off distance 3+ cycles from now), and helps send message that we're not going to write off swaths of this country and cede it to Republicans. We're going to fight their message and force them to waste some money defending their turf.
But I think in the near term, this probably makes Senate Republicans feel more comfortable voting for their version of AHCA, even if that's a bad misread of public sentiment in the long run. (So if you haven't called your Senators today about AHCA, do so.)
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)Would less fundraising have made a difference?
Would free Uber rides have made a difference?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)People were getting annoyed by the fundraising appeals.
In 2015 I wanted to check Bernie out so went to the website, looked around and signed up for the newsletter so I could get more info, etc. - fully knew there would be asks for donations.
But that is what the majority of the emails were about first and foremost! I got (guessing) maybe 3% info on him and 97% donation request. Fuck that! It was so early. I wanted to learn about the candidates views. I never paid attn to him before then -even tho he was/is a Senator.
I ended up unsubscribing due to the damn volume of donation requests. Didn't vote for Bernie ...and I did vote for Obama over Hilary.
I want to know the candidate is my candidate before I give up my $. I am put off by requests first. I am put off by multiple requests. I don't have a lot to give and it damn well will be with someone I believe in first. Then put the hand out to me.
Dems may live on grassroots $s (unlike R funders = Koch et al) but give ME something to buy into!
zentrum
(9,865 posts)....or more appeals a day. Some of them seemed so gimmicky---with not much substance other than begging. I live in another state, but i felt hounded. Got me worried about his campaign management. So I can only imagine what it was like to live locally.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Right after my last contribution about 6-7 days ago...I must have gotten PANIC PANIC PANIC 8 emails in 2 days...
I unsubscribed.
GIMME GIMME GIMME...
It was a real pain in the ass,,
oberliner
(58,724 posts)It's just not a good approach.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)3 emails chewing me out for not giving. We asked you here, we asked you there, you didnt do this, you didnt do that, blah, blah...on and on, rude and nasty.
It was ostensibly from Michelle Obama. She lent her name I'm sure. However, to send that to people who WERE giving showed incompetence. I continued getting through the campaigns, even though I wrote the DNC about it several times.
I noticed recently the same letter was being sent out, but someone else was signing it.
I give a lot, by my standards and income, to Dem candidates and I raise a lot of money for them, wherever they are. However, what I saw during the election made me not give a dime to the DNC. I thought I was the only one, but now it's come out as a big problem. We want to give and help individual candidates, but we want to choose for ourselves who gets the money and when.
OhNo-Really
(3,985 posts)Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Michele's name. I can't remember whose name they are using for that letter now. I mostly skip it. I'll try to pay attention when I see it again.
To think that the DNC paid a PR firm to come up w that letter was beyond the pale. Maybe it was a staff member.
Anyway, I and others tried to contact, and say, NICELY, you are really turning people off w this. We are out here fundraising. Someone gives money, then they get a chewing out. Not good. A 5th grader would have seen that. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
I don't think it was a money thing. You reach a saturation point and both Ossoff and Handel/Republican groups were just spending gobs of money to cancel each other out by the end. Obviously less money doesn't help Ossoff win his race, but if he ran on 18M instead of 20M and 2M was directed elsewhere, maybe that elsewhere fairs better with additional resources. Or maybe it just sparks a fundraising war in that other race too and isn't productive either.
Also there were Democratic groups that were offering rides locally, so I don't think that was an issue either. (How well those offers were communicated widely/known to average public not super politically engaged I guess is debatable.)
I think unfortunately it was a case of D's got their base out as much as possible, R's woke up and got their base out in the run-off and there's just more Rs than there are Ds. It's a district that's been designed to be a steep uphill battle for Democrats to overtake.
Cattledog
(5,914 posts)[blockquoteYou need to get your message out in the ad
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)be immediately sacked. Put it in writing at the end. Use the money for more ads clearly focused on limited topics.
One really good one, healthcare. One, education.
Wawannabe
(5,659 posts)Thank you.
Recommended.
Polly Hennessey
(6,797 posts)My despair is somewhat lessened.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)mahina
(17,656 posts)I hope lots of DUers read it. I'll share the lessons learned in my network.
Onward!
You said it ...and I hope this one stays alive on DU. Rec please.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)There are lots of Democrats in red districts and republicans that will cross over and vote for us if we have the right candidate and message. Demographics are shifting our way all over the country, but we have not taken advantage of that. While I love people like President Obama, Hillary, Joe Biden, Liz Warren, we need to focus on building strong local efforts through the local Democratic organization and let them develop campaign messaging that suit their districts.
LonePirate
(13,424 posts)Also, thank you for your efforts to help a Dem win in a nearby district.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)experiences and what they learned. Dems seem to think you are being a traitor by pointing out these kinds of things.
If you are in a ship that could sink, shouldn't we be trying to fix it, rather than singing praises for the ship.
No, that doesn't mean the Republicans didn't cheat, cuz they did in several Pres elections.
Another thing, the Repubs constantly elicited feedback, how can we get better. They still do. Dems didnt and don't, at least at the national level. People wonder why so many people said Dems were elitists...we know best for you, so don't bother us, creates a bad impression. For some of the Senate campaigns I worked in, I got a few surprising personal responses. Those were for mainly Senate candidates. I didn't expect that, but it was nice . Just think how the DNC ignored pleas for help from Michigan & Wisconsin.
We need more of this. Thank you for your service and for the feedback.
IronLionZion
(45,442 posts)but fail badly on messaging.
Trump has nothing, his plans had no substance at all, but he made these great sound bites that were easy to remember and repeat. It's one of those frustrating realities we have to work with.
If we can fix the messaging, our party can start winning again.
awesomerwb1
(4,268 posts)I don't know if everything about it is accurate(not disagreeing, just honestly don't know), but that was a very nicely written post and I agree with most of what you said.
I hope it's a close and accurate reflection of what took place.
I hope if any of the dem leadership minions are lurking they show this post to their bosses before spending $10 mil hiring a consulting firm who simply will not get it.
Thank you again.
MiddleClass
(888 posts)A 20 plus Republican district, in the deep South, we got within 3,
face it, I know is does not feel like a win, but it is.
Just think of the moderate districts that went Republican, there is a hell of a lot.
Guess where they are going in 18 20?
Yes I know, best chance all that, but it was best chance of winning something we should never win.
chowder66
(9,069 posts)This is really valuable.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)....your insights. Very useful. Hope the National Dems are listening.
denbot
(9,899 posts)Welcome to DU.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)I think you're full of __________.
Everyone knows Democrats must ______________ and stop ______________ if they want to get anywhere. We simply will not win in these districts unless we follow the advice of _____________ who says ___________ and whose ____________ strategy won most often in ____________.
oasis
(49,387 posts)klook
(12,155 posts)Good analysis - thank you.
DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)Thanks for sharing your thoughts/insights.
Thirties Child
(543 posts)My sister says the Dems may have overdone it. They got so many people knocking on the door, calling, that her daughter finally put a note on her front door, something like "Do NOT knock. I will vote for Ossoff but if you bother me again I won't vote." Sister said there are eight houses on her cul de sac in East Cobb. Two voted for Ossoff (which she thought was something of a miracle), eight for Handel.
murielm99
(30,741 posts)but we have family farm property there and family roots. I know people there who belong to both parties. I can't tell you how sick of it they get in Iowa, because of their early caucuses. Talk about saturation!
JHan
(10,173 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)And considering the tempest here on DU regarding Pelosi I appreciate your point of view. Instead of being cowed, stand up. A good offense is better than a weak defense.
- The Republicans blasted ads that he was tied to Nancy Pelosi/San Fran values. We need an effective counter. "Yes Nancy Pelosi stands for X Y and Z and I'm proud to join her in support of those positions". Every Dem in 2018 is going to get hammered with ads saying "a vote for them is a vote for Nancy Pelosi" whether they are the next Elizabeth Warren or the next Joe Manchin. (I know there's some rumblings of trying to get Pelosi to say she won't run for leadership again to try to mitigate this attack, but I don't think that's effective, as they'll just move on and make it "a vote for X is a vote for Chuck Schumer" instead) All our candidates need to be prepared for how to counter that effectively. Ignoring it is probably a bad strategy.
yardwork
(61,608 posts)My relatives (ex in-laws, to be precise) have the following beliefs:
White fundamentalist Protestant Christian
Racist
Homophobic
Middle-upper income
Preoccupied with taxes
Climate change deniers
The fundamentalist religious aspect of their worldview, combined with their concern that "those people" are taking their money, makes them very vulnerable to right wing brainwashing. In fact, they are thoroughly brainwashed.
I'm not sure that there is any message that any reasonable candidate (i.e., any Democrat, be they left, right, or centrist) could send that would defeat the right wing ads that these folks will believe.
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)In 2016 when Dem and Republican door knockers came around I'd ask them to tell me about some of their candidate's positions.
Without fail the Dem cavassers would say "Check out our website at www dot. . . . " while the Republican folks would take the time to explain their candidate's stand no matter how wacky it was. Drives me nuts -if you want me to vote for your candidate tell me why I should. Explain what they want to achieve while in office.
What about elderly who don't have internet access? The poor who have to go to the library to check their email. Canvassers should not be sent out if they are unable to give at least a brief explanation of their candidate's policy goals.
The right has mastered the 60 sound bite and we are way behind.
Why can't we give a nutshell version of our platform without directing someone to the website?
MRDAWG
(501 posts)The Republicans who sat out the November election showed up.
I grew up in N DeKalb Co and later lived in N Fulton and E Cobb. The Republicans stayed home in November. They Knew that Ga's Electoral votes were going to Trump. Jim Barksdale could not beat Johnny Isakason for the US Senate. Tom Price was easy to reelect for Congress-so why go to the trouble to vote.
When they saw that the special election polls were tied, they had a reason to vote.
The Georgia Legislature will re-draw the 6th before the 2018 election.
Getting a photo ID is a much longer drive for the Democratic N DeKalb County than for N Fulton and E Cobb.
Don't get excited about 2018 in the North Atlanta suburbs.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)Gothmog
(145,242 posts)Not living in the district was a dumb move and having weak ads did not help. I appreciate your observations
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)or read today.
What I would add -- and this is, IMO, critically important -- is that there was massive voter suppression that kept 40 - 60K newly registered voters off the rolls.
GREG PALAST: Voting rights groups registered literally tens of thousands of minority voters, but, strangely, the voter forms simply vanished.
NSE UFOT: We registered over 86,419 voter registration forms.
GREG PALAST: How many again?
NSE UFOT: Eighty-six thousand four hundred nineteen. There are 46,000 of the folks that weve registered who have made it, and 40,000 of them are missing. And you know what they told us? "We dont know what youre talking about. What forms?"
GREG PALAST: You mean that 40,000 of the voters you had registered, mostly minorities, just disappeared?
NSE UFOT: They did not disappear.
GREG PALAST: Nse Ufot of the New Georgia Project.
NSE UFOT: With all four of my eyes, Iwe walked into county boards of electionscounty boards of registrars and seen boxes of voter registration forms waiting to be processed.
GREG PALAST: And if you complain about the missing voter registrations, you could face criminal felony charges, and your group could be destroyed. Three years ago, I visited the group registering 10,000 Korean voters. I met their director, Helen Ho.
. . .
NSE UFOT: And so there was a campaign to register them, and they started registering significant numbers of Korean Americans. Their registration forms werent getting processed. So they sent a letter to the secretary of state and said, "Hey, here are all these people that we registered to vote. They arent on the voter rolls. WTF?" And they never got a response from the secretary of state. And the next thing you know, there were folks from the Georgia Bureau of Investigation coming, seizing their files, requesting correspondence, basically kicking in the door and shutting down their operation.
https://www.democracynow.org/2017/6/15/greg_palast_how_racist_voter_suppression
So, I think it's possible Ossoff COULD have won.
And from the same trascript:
DEE HUNTER: To be very clear, Jon Ossoff would be the congressional member right now. He really would have won the previous special election but for a combination of systemic voter suppression tactics and techniques.
GREG PALAST: Dee Hunter is director of the Civil Rights Center of Washington, D.C.
DEE HUNTER: The district itself was gerrymandered. The Republican leadership have been very clear that they gerrymandered this district in order to ensure that it would be held by a Republican.