Yes, there are young and vibrant progressives but there are also tons of old white money.

The weird thing is I noticed way more Ossoff signs than Handel signs. I guess Old Money doesn't advertise.

Are independents common?

and there are lots of wonderful democrats. Then, there's North Fulton County. Here's a red-blue map of the district.
http://www.myajc.com/news/gen-politics/how-each-neighborhood-voted-the-6th-district-runoff/72ZamHK2RQLoVsvFhcfWjM/

I'm pretty sure I've driven through there, before missing my turn and ending up driving through central Atlanta, one of the more harrowing motor experiences of my life.

didnt you get the memo?

Received and rejected.

Right now I think our best bet is that the SCOTUS will radically change the rules around districting before 2020, but I know that's not exactly a slam-dunk either.

the 6th dist. in Ga. has been drawn to give a 9 pt advantage to the Pubs. If that's true and Jon lost by 5 pts doesn't that mean he did better than any Dem should have just not enough to overcome the slant of 9?

I think we performed well given the realities of the district. Unfortunately a loss feeds into a "losing" narrative no matter the circumstances, but tomorrow the news cycle will be different.

N DeKalb, N Fulton and then E Cobb.

Republicans who stayed home in November came out yesterday.

Wonder how the Dems did in that regard. I just shut it all off yesterday. Didn't even watch Rachel. And we were busy all day today so I haven't seen a lick of news. And I feel just fine about that. Coming close is no cigar, and no consolation. And I'm not in the mood for any rationales. Especially after I donated again and again and again, and have nothing to show for it.

It was Vince Lombardi who said (I'm paraphrasing) "winning isn't a sometime thing, it's the only thing. And there's only room for one place, and that's first place."

I'm tired of coming close. I want a win.

...right?

insisting they know how to win. Only none of their candidates have ever won.

Or perhaps less. Most likely it will depend on the districts. Regardless things will likely be very very good for us if things keep going in this direction, as was the case in 2006.

Literally they are NEVER mentioned I the media. The line between W and Obama has effectively been blurred. All negatives about Obama (such as they were) are repeated ad nauseum. The media is the biggest problem with gerrymandering and vote suppression round out the top 3.

I don't think you need to be a native Georgian to know that running a campaign like the mid-manager of a Silicon Valley tech start-up is probably not a good idea.

Seriously, this ad is just dreadful:

omg

And that's the problem.

which the GOP ran against him. Apparently it was effective.

What kind of people see an ad like that and think, "I could support such a tactic?"

is absurd. If ads like this win, they don't want leftists.

Clinton. They are party loyalists. I lived there.

I am absolutely certain.

NOW, that really is not Ossoffs, or any democrats "fault."

It is just a simple reality that more so today than ever, fear and division are greater motivators for voters than high minded optimism.

100 people in the district who were not regular voters saw both of those ads, 40 felt the urge to vote because their very lives depended on it, 40 thought, gee that sounds nice, but they are all the same nothing will get done so why waste my time and 20 thought, I guess I will vote for that Ossoff guy, he seems OK.

as establishment Democrats... that comment is insulting

You use an insulting term towards Democrats.

And watch as the Democratic party continues its downward spiral.
Carry on my friend, carry on.

dismisses that fact. This is the Democratic Underground.

I posted just below.

Bernie Sanders: I Don't Consider Myself A Democrat | All In | MSNBC

Just what i have been trying to say here. He caucuses with the Democrats and ran as a Democrat. Either accept him and his supporters or continue to watch the Democratic Party go down.

I will concentrate in being part of DEM party and making us DEMS keep on going on....

I fail to understand you point. And I have no interest in your opinion of the Democratic party...which you seem to imply you are not part of...there is a 'they' quality to your post. It is our (?) party and we can make it what we choose...attacking the Democratic Party seems foolish to me...as for the downward spiral. I certainly hope not because then the GOP wins it all...the Democratic Party is the only hope for this country. As for Sen. Sanders, he is an independent and not a Democrat. I don't understand why that is controversial.

in this country over the last 30-40 years? Democrats have lost control of a majority of local and state governments. They have lost all three branches of the federal government.
If you fail to understand that point, you have my sympathy. Continuing to close ones eyes to reality results in continuing on the same path.
Carry on my friend, carry on.

Carry on you sincere DEM friend you!


tiredtoo
57. are you aware of what has taken place

in this country over the last 30-40 years? Democrats have lost control of a majority of local and state governments. They have lost all three branches of the federal government.
If you fail to understand that point, you have my sympathy. Continuing to close ones eyes to reality results in continuing on the same path.
Carry on my friend, carry on.

Because this is Newt Gingrich country. Those are the people who are the majority in the district.

I see the ad as hopeful and optimistic. So does my daughter, who lives there.

You will not win there...I am amazed how close it was...if you had a candidate like Manchin...maybe a vet...possibly. But they are very loyal Republicans...they are Republicans...not conservatives. There is a difference. They are Romney Republicans.

The R next to the name is all they care about in that district. That is the most affluent district in the whole state and Johns Creek, which is in the district, is the wealthiest city/town in Georgia and I think one of the top 10 wealthiest in the country. They love money and greed, and so it's not too surprising the direction they choose to vote.

They are not the rubes out with the confederate flags and shouting racist slurs as they drive through a diverse neighborhood, but they are the ones who benefit from all the hate. The smart republicans are always the most dangerous ones. They love to keep poor people in check, while ensuring their future remains bright, and their taxes remain low. Hillary was right, they are deplorable.

Mahalo, BB

I never dared discuss politics with them even though they were well educated etc. Its Georgia after all...

My team was from the NYC area..3 females 1 asian 1 black and 1 blonde. All short. They asked if everyone from NYC was short and why we all talked so quickly.

Sooooo....wasn't going to get into anything real other than work related with them

and I thought Ossoff ran a damned smart campaign. The close race said I was right about that.

Trust me, the Republicans are shitting bricks today.

I'm so tired of outsiders telling me that West Virginia needs to primary Joe Manchin with a wild-eyed radical leftist socialist ....

If you aren't from there, don't tell the natives how to live their political lives. You will sound like the worst sort of elitist missionary.

Have not lived in GA for years. Looking at the county by county vote, I would try to avoid Cobb County in the future.

And my 2 cents was Ossof was too careful and polite. Shoulda rallied against the orange fascist in a BIG way.

Can't change a wingnut who drank the Koolaid. Tho he could have appealed to more Independents.

Some of the threads today have become obnoxious, redundant, and frankly pick at old scabs that aren't worth continuing to fight over. This deep red district wasn't going to turn for the Dems overnight...nor any of the other SE's we've lost. The focus going forward should be on these facts: we have pushed back against unbelievable odds in these districts...which should scare the shit out of the GOP in much more purple districts, we should be focusing our anger on Trump and his minions rather than ourselves, and we must find our message going forward, and before anyone hops onto that statement...the gist is true, however, that message cannot be one that sacrifices commitment to women, POC or the LGBT community...just my 2c. The fight goes on...and so must we

In this District, people can send in a paper ballot by mail, there was 4 weeks of early voting, and a judge even allowed an extra month of voter registration after the first round in April.

The 40% or so of Dems who didn't vote can be encouraged/helped to get to the polls. It's a lot easier to get them to vote Dem than to convert a white winger who probably moved to the suburbs for deplorable reasons.

the older white people who lived there since it was mostly white and gingrich was representing there.

this district has a larger percentage of whites compared to georgia as a whole . but it's changing and the older people don't like it. they might have won this time but they can't stop the changes that are going on . and hopefully in the not too distant future someone like gingrich will be to that district what nixon and reagan are to california today.

karen handel's support was mostly older white people. and by older i mean many looked like they were years past retirement. but these people are also much more likely to vote than younger people and poc .

ossoff ran a good campaign and is in a good position to run in the future in that district.

especially the line "they can't stop the changes that are going on". The social changes will happen whether we like it or not. Nothing in politics will affect that. They can fight it all they want or enact legislation all they want to try to stop it, but you can't stop social change.

Sometimes when people get old they cling desperately to anything to make them relevant again. This is why they are more likely to vote. They're retired and haven't much better to do than to sit around and suck up all the Fox news nonsense and oftentimes they think they know better what is best for future generations. Many, many of them forget what it was like to be young.

These are generalizations and I qualify that by saying I know there are some people out there that aren't like that, but I am 68 and live in a senior community and I hear their nonsense all the time. I also call them out on it, though I try to do it tactfully. All the changes my generation fought for are now accepted parts of our society, but our parents' generation - mostly those who came of age during WWII - fought against everything we boomers wanted for society. Hell, that's when the term "generation gap" was coined. Most of those people are dead and gone now and the changes are here. All their fighting and angst about "long haired hippie freaks" was for naught.

I would love an example of where a progressive candidate won in a very red district.

Even in the face of progress, it appears that there's nothing that will deter those Sarandonesque individuals from their scorched-earth, slash-and-burn, destroy-to-rebuilt philosophy.

Going up in a gondola there was a guy extolling how great the mountain is for white people. He kept spouting white power. I was shocked as I am light skinned black woman, married to a white man. I was so scared I kept my back to the guy. When I heard it was this county that Ostoff was running in I knew there was no way he would win even despite the fact that Karen Handel is an idiot.

That must have been so frightening.

to speak to what does, or does not, win in that area.

the detractors have no explanation as to why they cannot even win in liberal areas, or anywhere, for that matter. It's so transparent what they are doing.

Exactly.