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vkkv

(3,384 posts)
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 09:51 PM Jun 2017

CNN: Some House Democrats says it's time for Pelosi to go, including misogynist

Democratic Rep. KATHLEEN RICE ( an established misogynist btw.. )

A small group of House Democrats are publicly saying it's time for House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi to step aside as the face of the party ahead of the 2018 midterms following Tuesday night's disappointing loss in a special election for a Georgia House seat.

"We need leadership change," New York Democratic Rep. KATHLEEN RICE told CNN outside the House chamber. "It's time for Nancy Pelosi to go, and the entire leadership team."

A Rice spokesman clarified to CNN that the congresswoman was referring to the top three leadership positions: minority leader, Democratic whip, and assistant Democratic leader. Pelosi, Steny Hoyer of Maryland and Jim Clyburn of South Carolina were elected in November to those positions for the current session of Congress.

The moderate New York Democrat said she had talked to a number of House Democrats since last night's defeat and some expressed concerns about keeping the same leadership team. She said she is not interested in running for Pelosi's post or other leadership posts, but said there are discussions among some Democrats about next steps.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/21/politics/nancy-pelosi-democrats-kathleen-rice/index.html

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CNN: Some House Democrats says it's time for Pelosi to go, including misogynist (Original Post) vkkv Jun 2017 OP
There is a clear effort to rid her from office. Dawson Leery Jun 2017 #1
No, the caucus is worried about the direction and viability of the Democratic Party. vkkv Jun 2017 #3
She has done a disservice to the Democratic effort to defeat Trump. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #46
2nd reply - what you wrote really doesn't make sense when I think about it.. vkkv Jun 2017 #5
I disagree somewhat. Foamfollower Jun 2017 #42
At 76, Clyburn is the baby of the bunch BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #2
That's how aging works. SomethingNew Jun 2017 #66
Lol...And for you scorekeepers out there BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #67
We just had leadership change at the DNC. Apparently to no effect, yet. Laurian Jun 2017 #4
DWS damaged the DNC enough to last two full years. vkkv Jun 2017 #6
Oh great. This again? shenmue Jun 2017 #12
Harry Reid: DNC was "worthless" under Debbie Wasserman Schultz Warren DeMontague Jun 2017 #40
It probably violates TOS as she is a Democrat. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #48
Harry Reid is a Democrat, too. Warren DeMontague Jun 2017 #59
out of your misogynist minds bigtree Jun 2017 #7
I'm not blaming Pelosi for the Ossoff loss, Dem Rep Kathleen Rice (Misogynist!) is though.. vkkv Jun 2017 #9
just coincidence you decided to launch this attack on the eve of the loss bigtree Jun 2017 #13
It's from CNN.. House Dems !! Read man, read. vkkv Jun 2017 #15
you can't hang your effort here on Rice bigtree Jun 2017 #19
I Do Not Blame VKKV erpowers Jun 2017 #37
it's just a coincidence this is coming up after the Ossoff race bigtree Jun 2017 #45
There Are Others erpowers Jun 2017 #61
Yeah and that shows she is not very helpful or loyal...I am going to call Tim Ryan's office too. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #51
Yeah well maybe Rice should go ...a more loyal Democrat who wants to fight Trump Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #56
I don't know Rice. How is she a misogynist? SharonClark Jun 2017 #68
I think for some fallout87 Jun 2017 #11
no, this is an orchestrated campaign against Rep. Pelosi bigtree Jun 2017 #14
"We need leadership change," New York Democratic Rep. KATHLEEN RICE told CNN vkkv Jun 2017 #17
you're not fooling anyone here with this bigtree Jun 2017 #20
I support Kathleen Rice's opinion.. and you're STILL calling me a misogynist.. vkkv Jun 2017 #21
at best bigtree Jun 2017 #25
I agree. NYResister Jun 2017 #34
Since Clinton mercuryblues Jun 2017 #32
So stupid treestar Jun 2017 #49
So sick of this crap! smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #35
Another Media false Narrative? Wellstone ruled Jun 2017 #8
Uh.. No. Read the CNN link.. vkkv Jun 2017 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author vkkv Jun 2017 #16
I read it, and I think it's more bark than bite frazzled Jun 2017 #44
If it was corporate branding, I'd agree Nevernose Jun 2017 #18
"" but they seem to be good at winning elections. "" vkkv Jun 2017 #22
And what would the Republicans do? Nevernose Jun 2017 #23
exactly why the hell do treestar Jun 2017 #50
From a purely pragmatic standpoint Nevernose Jun 2017 #64
Perez is in charge mercuryblues Jun 2017 #33
Not a giant fan. Nevernose Jun 2017 #63
They just won four elections in heavily Republican areas. DFW Jun 2017 #24
How on earth is Kathleen Rice a misogynist???? liskddksil Jun 2017 #26
She wants a bipartisan relationship with Trump. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #52
None of these points relate to misogyny in any form liskddksil Jun 2017 #58
This small group of "Democrats", not surprisingly voted against Pelosi as minority leader, and still_one Jun 2017 #27
totally nt DURHAM D Jun 2017 #29
I am from California, and I will be making a call to Rice's office suggesting that she should still_one Jun 2017 #31
I was born and raised and STILL live in CA. Pelosi, Boxer, Harris, Feinstein all got vkkv Jun 2017 #38
She won the votes among her colleagues. Kathleen Rice seems to have a problem still_one Jun 2017 #41
Kathleen should stop hurting the Democratic Party by sowing disunity...we maybe should Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #53
wait, now... what's that thing about Democrats and the TOS, again? Warren DeMontague Jun 2017 #60
That is up to the district in New York where she is from still_one Jun 2017 #65
right because not losing one vote on the Trump care vote was easy... Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #57
The OP actually calls a Democratic Representative a misogynist. Isnt that "criticism"? Warren DeMontague Jun 2017 #62
It's downright "Trumpian" ... NanceGreggs Jun 2017 #28
Your concern is noted. PubliusEnigma Jun 2017 #30
Can A Woman Be a Misogynist? erpowers Jun 2017 #36
CNN: Some House Democrats says it's time for Pelosi to go, including misogynist. LenaBaby61 Jun 2017 #39
Rice was elected in 2015. Historic NY Jun 2017 #43
A newbie who maybe should be a" was" in 18... Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #54
Why the heck does one house seat treestar Jun 2017 #47
In a deep red state...there are 'moderates' like Tim Ryan who want to collude with Trump. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #55

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
1. There is a clear effort to rid her from office.
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 09:59 PM
Jun 2017

Pelosi, unlike Dick Gephardt has kept her caucus in line. That is why some want her to go.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
3. No, the caucus is worried about the direction and viability of the Democratic Party.
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 10:02 PM
Jun 2017


Read the CNN link or Google more info if you like.
 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
5. 2nd reply - what you wrote really doesn't make sense when I think about it..
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 10:05 PM
Jun 2017

This isn't a kindergarten rebellion..
 

Foamfollower

(1,097 posts)
42. I disagree somewhat.
Thu Jun 22, 2017, 01:11 AM
Jun 2017

This is more like a daycare rebellion. Kindergartners are far more mature than those in Congress calling for Pelosi's head.

BeyondGeography

(39,380 posts)
67. Lol...And for you scorekeepers out there
Thu Jun 22, 2017, 11:07 AM
Jun 2017

that will make our three House leaders a combined 232 years old.

Laurian

(2,593 posts)
4. We just had leadership change at the DNC. Apparently to no effect, yet.
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 10:04 PM
Jun 2017

Pelosi is an excellent legislative leader and should stay in that position.

Candidate recruitment and election strategy should primarily be handled by the DNC.

I haven't seen anyone blaming them.....just Nancy?

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
6. DWS damaged the DNC enough to last two full years.
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 10:07 PM
Jun 2017

Perez is just starting to mop-up the mess she made.

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
7. out of your misogynist minds
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 10:08 PM
Jun 2017

Victoria Brownworth? @VABVOX 22h22 hours ago

The big hot take from the white male pundit class on @ossoff's loss is it's @NancyPelosi's fault.

You guys are out of your misogynist minds.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
9. I'm not blaming Pelosi for the Ossoff loss, Dem Rep Kathleen Rice (Misogynist!) is though..
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 10:13 PM
Jun 2017

and some other Dem House members..

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
13. just coincidence you decided to launch this attack on the eve of the loss
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 10:15 PM
Jun 2017

Kompromat Apple Ally? @CandyAppleAlly

The "Pelosi must go" campaign reminds me that if Republicans demonize a successful woman enough, Democratic dudes will eventually join in

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
19. you can't hang your effort here on Rice
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 10:29 PM
Jun 2017
CNN:

She didn't call for Pelosi's immediate ouster, but said that she hopes Pelosi will ultimately decide not to run for another term as the top Democratic leader in the next Congress and several others emerge as alternatives to lead the caucus.

"There are about a handful of people who are now seriously considering it," Rice said.

Rice has been a vocal critic of Pelosi's since the 2016 election and was supportive in the fall when Ohio Democratic Rep. Tim Ryan challenged her for the top leadership position. Ryan lost that internal election, receiving only 63 votes from the 194 members.


...this is part an parcel of an orchestrated campaign against Democratic women. Pointing to one woman who was part of that pitiful attempt to vote Rep. Pelosi out in 2016 does not change that fact.

So, here you stand, shitstirring along with the right wing against our popular Democratic leader. You bear responsibility for your own efforts here, not CNN or Rice.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
37. I Do Not Blame VKKV
Thu Jun 22, 2017, 12:11 AM
Jun 2017

The subject VKKV posted about is real news. This is not something VKKV just made up. There are a number of articles claiming that multiple Democrats in Congress are suggesting that Nancy Pelosi should be out as the Democratic leader in the House of Representatives. If VKKV had refused to post this information the refusal to post the information would not have erased the fact that some in the Democratic Party are calling for Pelosi to resign as leader of the party in the House of Representatives.

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
45. it's just a coincidence this is coming up after the Ossoff race
Thu Jun 22, 2017, 07:30 AM
Jun 2017

...it's an orchestrated campaign top drive wedges between Democrats, apparently adopted by dense Democrats who think it's good politics to bash our Democratic leader in the aftermath, not anyone else in the party, just her.

Just coincidence.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
61. There Are Others
Thu Jun 22, 2017, 08:54 AM
Jun 2017

There are other people including men who are mentioned in other articles. In addition, I think the CNN article included at least one man who was calling for Nancy Pelosi to lose her leadership position. Furthermore, the push for Nancy Pelosi to give up her leadership position is not new. It has been going on for years. Nancy Pelosi is not as popular in Washington, D.C. as she is outside Washington, D.C.

Some people have been quietly calling on to Pelosi be replaced as early as 2008. There are some in Washington, D.C. who think she is too heavy handed with her leadership. Some think she tries to force her members to cast votes that are bad for their political careers. Now, the idea that Pelosi is heavy handed in her leadership might stem from misogyny, but reporting on the idea that some Democrats want her to step down from her leadership position in not misogyny.

Demsrule86

(68,684 posts)
51. Yeah and that shows she is not very helpful or loyal...I am going to call Tim Ryan's office too.
Thu Jun 22, 2017, 08:13 AM
Jun 2017

I was very displeased when his office told me that he would 'join' with the GOP for the good of the citizens...these are folks who want to collude with Trump and Nancy stops them cold ...thank God.

 

fallout87

(819 posts)
11. I think for some
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 10:13 PM
Jun 2017

its the 0-4 in congressional races. Someone has to be blamed, and it looks like Pelosi is the low hanging fruit. I dont agree with it, Im just pointing out what I think is happening.

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
14. no, this is an orchestrated campaign against Rep. Pelosi
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 10:16 PM
Jun 2017

...the latest in a string of orchestrated attacks on Democratic women leaders.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
17. "We need leadership change," New York Democratic Rep. KATHLEEN RICE told CNN
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 10:22 PM
Jun 2017

outside the House chamber.

To be more clear, that is MISOGYNIST Democratic Rep. KATHLEEN RICE...of NEW YORK... thee most conservative state in the union...

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
21. I support Kathleen Rice's opinion.. and you're STILL calling me a misogynist..
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 10:33 PM
Jun 2017

Now do you get it? And you called me pathetic..

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
25. at best
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 10:40 PM
Jun 2017

...you're a willing echo of that misogynistic campaign against our Women Democratic leaders.

...at best.

mercuryblues

(14,537 posts)
32. Since Clinton
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 11:30 PM
Jun 2017

isn't around to kick anymore, It must be Pelosi's fault.

It can't be those men in charge of the party....Ellison and Perez. No they are too busy cleaning up Debbie WS mess to do their job of getting Democrats elected.

See a pattern?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
49. So stupid
Thu Jun 22, 2017, 08:12 AM
Jun 2017

There are 435 seats. Making a huge deal of just 4 is for propaganda purposes. Perspective.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
35. So sick of this crap!
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 11:56 PM
Jun 2017

Smack my ass and call me Sally, who would have ever expected this?

Of course, it's always a woman's fault!

Response to vkkv (Reply #10)

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
44. I read it, and I think it's more bark than bite
Thu Jun 22, 2017, 03:57 AM
Jun 2017

It says "a small group" is saying she should leave. And it quotes mostly one representative (with a second getting a quick line in). There are 193 Democratic members of the House.

There are indubitably some who fear that, like Ossoff, they will be branded by Republicans with the bogey-man (er, woman) "Pelosi" meme. They're obviously more interested in Republican narratives than those of our party.

We lose when we work from a position of fear that some other contingency has magical powers, and lose sight of our own brand. The Republicans didn't do that during their losses of the Obama years. They doubled down and held their positions. But every time some close election is lost, we seem to go running like little scared mice.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
18. If it was corporate branding, I'd agree
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 10:26 PM
Jun 2017

Time for a new "spokesmodel" or whatever.

And God knows I'm no giant fan of much anything mainstream, including my liberal politicians, Pelosi has A) done a good job, B) has nothing to do with GA's 06, and C) makes Democrats look weak in the minds of many voters.

Republicans would double down on the situation and start airing adds with Pelosi front and center. That's what Republicans would do, and Republicans might be assholes who can't govern, but they seem to be good at winning elections.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
22. "" but they seem to be good at winning elections. ""
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 10:34 PM
Jun 2017

Exactly - and Dems, under Pelosi are not.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
23. And what would the Republicans do?
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 10:39 PM
Jun 2017

Would they get rid of Ryan, or would they double down on the bet?

Tom Perez is in charge of election strategy now, besides that. I would have preferred Ellison, but thats a whole other thread

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
64. From a purely pragmatic standpoint
Thu Jun 22, 2017, 09:18 AM
Jun 2017

There are an awful lot of swing voters who base their decisions purely on their perception of strength. Donald Trump, for instance, is exactly what a weak man thinks a strong man looks like.

Some of that's misogyny, but our female representatives weren't getting their votes anyway, not unless the woman has an R after her name.

Switching faces for no good reason? Like losing GA 06 closely, in the same percentage the primaries were? Massive achievement. Changing our Pelosi now makes us look weak and scared, not to mention empower the conservative bullies.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
63. Not a giant fan.
Thu Jun 22, 2017, 09:13 AM
Jun 2017

But like I said, the thread is about Pelosi, not Ellison/Perez. I'll need antacids for that conversation.

DFW

(54,437 posts)
24. They just won four elections in heavily Republican areas.
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 10:39 PM
Jun 2017

Considering the extent to which their leads have shrunk, I don't think districts in which Trump won by under ten points would have been nearly as inclined to re-elect a rep from that party.

Demsrule86

(68,684 posts)
52. She wants a bipartisan relationship with Trump.
Thu Jun 22, 2017, 08:15 AM
Jun 2017

Some of these folks are worried about their re-election. Ryan is in Ohio...but I will explain to him that he is more at risk if he pisses off Democrats.

 

liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
58. None of these points relate to misogyny in any form
Thu Jun 22, 2017, 08:37 AM
Jun 2017

we shouldn't be slandering members of our Party with that word, even if you disagree with their tactics or policy positions.

still_one

(92,403 posts)
27. This small group of "Democrats", not surprisingly voted against Pelosi as minority leader, and
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 10:56 PM
Jun 2017

since the vote didn't go their way, and they are unhappy about that, they want to scape goat Pelosi, thinking that they can get their way, instead of respecting the vote, and waiting until the vote comes up in the next session. What this SMALL GROUP is doing is trying to do is divide the Democrats.

I will put it bluntly. F**k them.

still_one

(92,403 posts)
31. I am from California, and I will be making a call to Rice's office suggesting that she should
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 11:16 PM
Jun 2017

consider stepping down for trying to divide Democrats with this nonsense




 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
38. I was born and raised and STILL live in CA. Pelosi, Boxer, Harris, Feinstein all got
Thu Jun 22, 2017, 12:34 AM
Jun 2017

MY VOTES,

But now I'm a misogynist for saying that we need new House leadership.

Pelosi is a GREAT Congresswoman..

as Speaker?

Meh !!

still_one

(92,403 posts)
41. She won the votes among her colleagues. Kathleen Rice seems to have a problem
Thu Jun 22, 2017, 01:08 AM
Jun 2017

with that perhaps because her candidate did not win those votes for house minority leader.

The House Democrats will determine who will lead them, but representative Rice thinks it is cool to go through the MSM, and use Pelosi as a scape goat to lay the Democratic problems on Pelosi. I have a problem with that for multiple reasons, not the least that this gives the Pelosi hating right wing an opportunity to sow divisions among Democrats, that our illustrious media is only too willing to exploit like they did throughout 2016 with their double standard coverage.

As for someone characterizing this as misogyny, I don't know who said that or where that came from, but it never came from me




Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
60. wait, now... what's that thing about Democrats and the TOS, again?
Thu Jun 22, 2017, 08:53 AM
Jun 2017

Might come in handy the next time elizabeth warren says something that gets a bunch of people here cheesed off--- or better yet. someone feels the need to start a thread about Tulsi Gabbard.

Something about not criticizing Democrats--- I know it is because I'm reminded of it whenever I mention Harry Reid's scathing critique of DWS's management of the DNC.

Demsrule86

(68,684 posts)
57. right because not losing one vote on the Trump care vote was easy...
Thu Jun 22, 2017, 08:22 AM
Jun 2017

She is very effective and there is a concerted effort to get rid of her and install a guy from a red state who would be forced to work with Trump and end the fight...sorry (not really) NO.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
62. The OP actually calls a Democratic Representative a misogynist. Isnt that "criticism"?
Thu Jun 22, 2017, 09:02 AM
Jun 2017

This TOS thing is really confusing!

NanceGreggs

(27,818 posts)
28. It's downright "Trumpian" ...
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 11:03 PM
Jun 2017

Bad press, bad media coverage? Get rid of Sean Spicer, and everything will turn around!

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
36. Can A Woman Be a Misogynist?
Thu Jun 22, 2017, 12:01 AM
Jun 2017

Can a woman really be a misogynist? How is Kathleen Rice a misogynist? What has she said or done, other than call for Nancy Pelosi to lose her leadership position, that proves that she is strongly biased against women? In addition, if a woman can actually be a misogynist, why would Kathleen Rice be a Democrat if she were actually a misogynist?

Demsrule86

(68,684 posts)
55. In a deep red state...there are 'moderates' like Tim Ryan who want to collude with Trump.
Thu Jun 22, 2017, 08:19 AM
Jun 2017

They are often from right leaning districts and Nancy stops them. Ryan is my guy, and I will be calling him today.

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