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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumssingle payer for all would put massive amounts of $ back into the economy
it is that simple
how do repukes not get that?
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Yeah, it's pretty simple, but it won't be easy. The math, at least, should be easy for all to grasp: there may be a place for private insurers, but moving in the direction of single-/few-payer will enable us to spend less on health care.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)consumer spending would massively increase
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)Look at my state of CA
We may have single payer but it will cost the same as the system we have now. Instead of paying for insurance we will pay higher taxes which is fine by me.
Shell_Seas
(3,336 posts)#1-They believe that the wealthy need more money
#2-They believe that healthcare is a privilege, not a right
bresue
(1,007 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)this either.
procon
(15,805 posts)wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)The benefit of single payer is that everyone gets the care they need. But like the individual mandate we all have to pay for it in higher taxes
The same costs will apply but we get more bang for the buck
We will need more care givers and more faculties and equipment
Freedom (Repub-speak for I don't want my tax dollars going to help anyone else especially people who are different than me)
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)some, but it's not like one's premiums are going to go from $600 to $300 a month. More like $550 a month if we are lucky unless we cut the heck out of payments to providers and suppliers, put in tough utilization controls, patients start taking some responsibility for remaining healthy, etc.
Another reason the savings won't be that much is we'll have to pick up those who can't afford the monthly cost. I'm fine with that, but a portion of our premiums (or taxes) will be earmarked for that.
Not against any of that, just wouldn't plan on spending any "savings" before you actually see it.
madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)to help people of color.
haele
(12,681 posts)The wealthy shouldn't have to pay more taxes than those poor people just because they're wealthy! They pay for everything they have - even if they do take advantage of all those free benefits they get just because a business wants them to come back and spend more money, or get all sorts of credit because businesses want them to come back and spend more money, or that their cost of living service bills (utilities, food, housing, infrastructure) might as well be in pennies compared to the percentage of dollars a median family has to pay for the same cost of living services.
Heck, if the poor folks want health care, they should just pay for it, like everyone else has to...
My FIL was fairly wealthy, but he started out dirt poor; he knew life was made much easier for him - and he admitted he would get close to $50K in high-end product discounts every year - discounts we as a median wage household wouldn't be able to even consider - just because people knew he was wealthy and were willing to sell to him at or below costs just to have him come back.
Hell, he told us one year about the good deal on a ~ $135K BMW a couple years back ; drove it off the lot for $85K. (Not that we were jealous, mind you, but that's the sort of deals he could get)
BTW, being a former AF O-6, he agreed with us that there should be single payer, and the FICA cap should be lifted. He understood that Government and the Military are the largest socialist organizations in the U.S.
A $50K tax break to someone netting over $1million a year income has the spending equivalent of a $200 tax break to someone netting $45K a year.
For a wealthy person, it's good to pay down the credit card, or to get something "nice" for the spouse and kids - but it's not going to make or break someone not to get it.
Haele
ck4829
(35,091 posts)Our healthcare system (the greatest in the world... ) is designed to exclude the 'wrong' people (poor, GLBTQ, minorities), it's to create differences when it comes to race, class, and gender, it's there to coerce the poor into taking less satisfying jobs with less pay so they get a shot at getting health insurance, and more.