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smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 06:52 PM Jun 2017

Help solving an argument.

We had a team work luncheon at a restaurant today and I sat next to a work colleague (a vegan) who brought up the topic of how cheap meat is today, relative to prices in the past.

I told her that compared to wages, I thought the price of meat had risen more than the average wage, percentage wise, but I had no data to back it up other than my own anecdotal evidence. I used to never think twice about purchasing meat when I went grocery shopping, but now I am a bit shocked at the high prices and choose to eat it much less for budget reasons. Also, it's probably healthier as well.

I came home and tried to look up some stats on google, but couldn't really find what I was looking for and I was wondering if any of you - who might be a little better at research than I am - would be able to either refute or back up my argument. I could be wrong, but I am making more money than I used to and I find it more un-affordable than ever. Thanks in advance.

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Help solving an argument. (Original Post) smirkymonkey Jun 2017 OP
Depends on how far back you go. Binkie The Clown Jun 2017 #1
Link Number 1... Leith Jun 2017 #2
Thank you! smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #11
There's some data here, in Excel files (one going back a couple of decades) petronius Jun 2017 #3
Thank you! smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #12
Glad to Help Leith Jun 2017 #17
Yes, that is what I was looking for but couldn't find. Thank you for trying to help. smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #18
I don't know the specifics about meat alone... llmart Jun 2017 #4
That could come to an end very soon with migrant workers being deported and smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #13
Welp, you could apparently get a hamburger for 15 cents at McDonald's Tanuki Jun 2017 #5
15 cents in 1948 would be worth $1.52 today. former9thward Jun 2017 #26
In 1948 that burger was probably made of meat... Whiskeytide Jun 2017 #28
Here are a Couple More Links Leith Jun 2017 #6
Thank you! smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #14
Here is a link that I found interesting. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #7
Boston is very expensive. Also, since I don't drive I only have access to city markets smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #15
My sister in law used to live in New York City, and I was in Connecticut at the time. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #19
I love living here too. It's not cheap, but it's very liberal and I have smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #21
My brother bought a 'starter' house in a quiet part of Bridgeport but they ended up staying so Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #24
Lots of great schools here. I wish the best of luck to your daughter! smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #25
Thanks she just graduated Suma with a 3.9+ GPA in accounting. I see her in time Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #27
Here are some sites that sell meat online. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #20
Thank you! smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #22
Good luck...there are various price points and sales. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #23
Also there has been a drought that has increased beef prices...now chicken is very low here. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #8
Relative to income? I could not find that. But for prices, HERE: janx Jun 2017 #9
Thanks for the link! smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #10
Well yes, janx Jun 2017 #16
Beef, Chicken, and Pork-Smashing the competition... flotsam Jun 2017 #29

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
1. Depends on how far back you go.
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 06:56 PM
Jun 2017

In the middle ages only royalty and wealthy merchants ate meat. It was well beyond the reach of the average person, unless you could catch a pigeon or a cat now and then to throw into the pot.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
11. Thank you!
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 09:41 PM
Jun 2017

It has definitely gone up, just wondering how it has kept pace with wages. I seem to be willing to spend money on vegetables even though they are more expensive, but I balk at higher meat prices. Maybe that's a good thing.

petronius

(26,604 posts)
3. There's some data here, in Excel files (one going back a couple of decades)
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 07:04 PM
Jun 2017
https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/meat-price-spreads/

At a very quick first glance, it looks like beef has gone up about a dollar (adjusted for inflation) since 2011, with a price spike in 2015...

(Of course, I could be reading it all totally wrong! )
 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
12. Thank you!
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 09:43 PM
Jun 2017

I might be eating my words on Monday. Doesn't look like a really significant spike if I am seeing it correctly.

Leith

(7,813 posts)
17. Glad to Help
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 10:53 PM
Jun 2017

Many years ago, I saw a chart that showed how much time the average wage earner would have to work to afford a loaf of bread, a TV, a gallon of gas, or several other products. I really hoped to find something like that again, but I couldn't. I would have made the comparison a lot easier to see that the average wage earner would have to work 9.5 minutes in 1970 and 9 minutes in 2010, for example. It seemed that a chart like that was the sort of thing you needed.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
18. Yes, that is what I was looking for but couldn't find. Thank you for trying to help.
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 02:45 AM
Jun 2017

I appreciate it. I think the bottom line is that food overall is more expensive for most of us compared to our wages. I definitely feel like my grocery budget takes a much bigger bite out of my paycheck than it used to.

llmart

(15,555 posts)
4. I don't know the specifics about meat alone...
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 07:05 PM
Jun 2017

but I have read that food in general is much cheaper in relation to wages than it was say in the '50's or '60's.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
13. That could come to an end very soon with migrant workers being deported and
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 09:44 PM
Jun 2017

leaving on their own because of Trump's policies. Without cheap labor, food prices will most certainly go up.

Tanuki

(14,922 posts)
5. Welp, you could apparently get a hamburger for 15 cents at McDonald's
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 07:15 PM
Jun 2017

in 1948.....
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-first-mcdonalds-burger-stand-2014-9
"....They later shut it down and reopened it in 1948, with a pared-down menu of just nine items, including hamburgers (15 cents) cheeseburgers (19 cents) and drinks, such as coffee, Coca-Cola, and Orangeade, for 10 cents.

Here's a picture of the stand from 1948 that we found in AP's archives:


In 1954, the stand caught the attention of Ray Kroc, an Illinois businessman who sold milkshake mixers.".....

former9thward

(32,082 posts)
26. 15 cents in 1948 would be worth $1.52 today.
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 07:29 PM
Jun 2017
http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

You can get a hamburger at McDonald's for $1.19 - $1.29. Sometimes cheaper. So it looks like that, at least, is cheaper than in 1948.
 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
14. Thank you!
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 09:46 PM
Jun 2017

Sometimes it seems for us single people that it's almost cheaper eating out. At least in a city.

Demsrule86

(68,696 posts)
7. Here is a link that I found interesting.
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 07:32 PM
Jun 2017

In 1987 Round Steak was $2.93 per pound...I got if for $2.53 per pound today on sale at Sparkles. So yes I think considering how much wages have gone up, meat is cheaper. But I think it depends on the area. Georgia was very expensive for groceries...Ohio is much cheaper.

https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2014/article/one-hundred-years-of-price-change-the-consumer-price-index-and-the-american-inflation-experience.htm

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
15. Boston is very expensive. Also, since I don't drive I only have access to city markets
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 09:48 PM
Jun 2017

which are notoriously expensive. I have occasionally shopped at markets in Maine where my sister lives and I am shocked at how much cheaper food is. I will often stock up on non-perishables and lug them back on the train.

Demsrule86

(68,696 posts)
19. My sister in law used to live in New York City, and I was in Connecticut at the time.
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 08:58 AM
Jun 2017

I was shocked at how expensive groceries were in the Bronx. Connecticut is not known for cheap living but our prices were much lower. I love Boston and Maine. I envy you . I miss the East coast and areas where you could walk instead of driving. I am in Ohio now and hour out of Pittsburgh. We can practically walk to PA and it has an eastern feel, but nothing beats New England.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
21. I love living here too. It's not cheap, but it's very liberal and I have
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 09:36 AM
Jun 2017

never seen anyone carrying a gun - ever! I used to live in San Francisco, but there is something about the beauty of New England and the northeast that I just missed so much. I think it's such a beautiful part of the country up here. Hopefully you will get a chance to visit again soon!

Demsrule86

(68,696 posts)
24. My brother bought a 'starter' house in a quiet part of Bridgeport but they ended up staying so
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 06:18 PM
Jun 2017

I will visit him soon and in the fall...be a 'leaf' peeper. Promised my daughter to take her to Boston...looking into grad school

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
25. Lots of great schools here. I wish the best of luck to your daughter!
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 06:53 PM
Jun 2017

If she gets in that will give you an excuse to visit more often! The southern Maine coast is lovely too and only a day trip from Boston.

Demsrule86

(68,696 posts)
27. Thanks she just graduated Suma with a 3.9+ GPA in accounting. I see her in time
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 08:01 AM
Jun 2017

ending up in a college somewhere...being a professor. Although, there is a new boy....nice kid. I guess I should say man...although they seem like children to me. Of course I would have been very insulted at their age to have been called a child.

Demsrule86

(68,696 posts)
8. Also there has been a drought that has increased beef prices...now chicken is very low here.
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 07:35 PM
Jun 2017

And I get beef under $3.00 per pound. I have gotten London Broil for $2.99 per pound...I buy on sale and freeze. Also, I go to Giant Eagle when they have their buy one get one round or chuck roasts and have them grind it...it is so fresh this way and way cheaper.

janx

(24,128 posts)
9. Relative to income? I could not find that. But for prices, HERE:
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 07:46 PM
Jun 2017
https://www.bls.gov/regions/mid-atlantic/data/averageretailfoodandenergyprices_usandmidwest_table.htm


The graphs are clearer. Also, this is not relative to income, but most people know if their income has gone up or down. Meat is not cheap relative to prices in the past, at least when you are looking at the last decade. Beef, in particular, is expensive. Chicken is still relatively cheap. Fish is not cheap, but I don't think it ever has been, especially if you don't live on a coast.

flotsam

(3,268 posts)
29. Beef, Chicken, and Pork-Smashing the competition...
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 11:22 AM
Jun 2017

Use prices for beef brisket, chicken wings and bacon-all three have soared dramatically over time.

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