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struggle4progress

(118,290 posts)
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 02:41 AM Jun 2017

I Witnessed Nixon's Downfalland I've Got a Warning for Trump

RICHARD BEN-VENISTE
JUN 23, 2017

... I’m reminded of .. Marx’s .. observation: “History repeats itself: first as tragedy, second as farce.” I was a .. witness to .. Nixon’s .. downfall as president, and I’ve .. contemplated whether a repeat of his “Saturday Night Massacre” may .. be in the offing ... Trump would do well to .. avoid his presidency’s descent into a quasi-Watergate parody ...

... Although Nixon ordered the special prosecutor’s office abolished and commanded the FBI to seize our office and files, we remained employed by the Justice Department. Homeless, leaderless, and dazed .. we brushed ourselves off and vowed to continue our work in whatever capacity we could.

It was only a matter of days .. until .. public and congressional outrage .. forced Nixon to reverse course and promise to obey court orders ... We returned to our office and were reunited with our files, and a new special prosecutor .. was .. appointed to lead the .. inquiry. Amid all the furor .. the public correctly asked .. “What was Nixon hiding?” The answer was not long in coming: a lot. The tapes proved Nixon was not only a liar, but also an early leader of a plot to obstruct the investigation of .. the DNC break-in ...

The question is not whether Trump can fire Mueller — it is whether it would be a misuse of executive power for him to do so. Should Trump let Mueller go, it would spark a constitutional crisis the likes of which the country has not seen in four decades. The business of Congress would grind to a halt and the stock market would suffer a shock. With Comey’s dismissal as the backdrop, there could be an immediate resolution introduced in the House for Trump’s impeachment for attempting to obstruct a lawful, ongoing criminal investigation ...

http://www.kansas.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/article157755749.html

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I Witnessed Nixon's Downfalland I've Got a Warning for Trump (Original Post) struggle4progress Jun 2017 OP
A hero of Watergate has some advice struggle4progress Jun 2017 #1
Trump witnessed Watergate too FakeNoose Jun 2017 #2
He was 'alive' for it but unlike some of us... WePurrsevere Jun 2017 #4
Don the Con was too busy dealing with his own Vietnam n/t Pluvious Jun 2017 #10
Yeap YCHDT Jun 2017 #11
I was as well. TexasProgresive Jun 2017 #7
I agree. Conman is heading down the same road as Nixon, but he won't listen to his atty's, napi21 Jun 2017 #3
But there is a difference. Kablooie Jun 2017 #5
This assumes that the Republicans in Congress would suddenly become enough Jun 2017 #6
kablooie & enough............. MyOwnPeace Jun 2017 #8
Again with... the Christopher Walken... thing. Dave Starsky Jun 2017 #9
One thing that helped was that we overwhelmingly deaniac21 Jun 2017 #12

struggle4progress

(118,290 posts)
1. A hero of Watergate has some advice
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 02:43 AM
Jun 2017

BY ALBERT R. HUNT, BLOOMBERG
WP Bloomberg

Bill Ruckelshaus knows White House skulduggery when he sees it. A former deputy attorney general who is the last prominent survivor among the Watergate investigators who brought down President Richard Nixon, Ruckelshaus has some advice for President Donald Trump ...

Ruckelshaus, a Republican then and now, warns that Trump “will be in real trouble” if he tries to remove Mueller: “The dismissal of Cox in October of 1973 led to the Rodino Committee (the House Impeachment Committee) and then ultimately the resignation of Nixon in August of 1974” ...

If Trump respects experience, you’d expect him to heed this Watergate hero’s advice. Ruckelshaus says he isn’t holding his breath:

“I do not personally believe,” he wrote, that “Trump is capable of taking the approach I am suggesting, any more than was Nixon.”

http://www.kansas.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/article157755749.html

FakeNoose

(32,642 posts)
2. Trump witnessed Watergate too
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 02:53 AM
Jun 2017

Most of us baby boomers were around for that debacle.

How is Trump going to learn from other people's mistakes when he can't even learn from his own?
The guy is in free-fall now, he's taking everybody down with him.

If Mueller gets half a chance, the entire Republican Party will self destruct.




WePurrsevere

(24,259 posts)
4. He was 'alive' for it but unlike some of us...
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 06:07 AM
Jun 2017

Who paid attention he was probably too busy buying properties, avoiding STDs, discriminating against blacks and being a narcissistic jerk to catch the details.

It's rather hard to learn when you're not paying attention but I think it goes further than that with him. Like others before him whose downfalls were big, he thinks he's smarter than others as well as rich and powerful enough to do whatever he darn well pleases. I think this is where Nixon messed up and now where Trump is.

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
7. I was as well.
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 07:04 AM
Jun 2017

But I was completely distracted by personal issues. He was too busy creating his "the man" of Manhatten persona to care about Nixon and Watergate.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
3. I agree. Conman is heading down the same road as Nixon, but he won't listen to his atty's,
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 02:59 AM
Jun 2017

or his advisors, incompetent as they are. He & his tweets & actions are sinking him, but he still can't shut up. I don't want Pence or god forbid Ryan, but their fearless leader continues to dig. Pretty soon, he won't be able to find his way out.

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
5. But there is a difference.
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 06:40 AM
Jun 2017

The majority party didn't constantly work to ignore and enable nixons crimes.

Trump has been getting away with crimes that would have killed any other politician.
I'm not convinced that this is different.
The Republican party have no values or morals left.
They've become self serving mafia like party that protects and encourages crimes against the government.

enough

(13,259 posts)
6. This assumes that the Republicans in Congress would suddenly become
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 07:02 AM
Jun 2017

protectors of the Constitution. I don't think the firing of Mueller would make that happen.

MyOwnPeace

(16,927 posts)
8. kablooie & enough.............
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 07:22 AM
Jun 2017

(those are previous posters, not my response!! )

Great responses from both of you. There is a serious difference between the Repugs of the 70s' and now.
They were honorable people then - willing to PROTECT the constitution and serve the VOTERS, not the party supporters - and do their job in the interest of our nation, not their wallets.

Now? HAH!!

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
9. Again with... the Christopher Walken... thing.
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 09:50 AM
Jun 2017

We had... a Democratic Congress... when Nixon... was President. Not the cadre... of shitheels... we have now.

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