of a Trump Presidency and did all we could to elect Hillary. There were a number of circumstances that were unexpected and beyond our control (Comey's statement, Russian interference) that had a significant effect on the election results.

yeah, yeah, yeah there's always something we could have done better, more, other, whatever.

but this election was rigged and stolen, plain and simple.

it's time we stop this pointless self-castigation and work together to stop the real problems -- republicans and their foreign allies undermining democracy, preventing americans (mostly democrats) from voting, making it hard for americans (mostly democrats) to vote, buying propaganda, and lying to the american people without consequence.

convincing another million democrats to vote is certainly a good idea, but if republicans can respond by just cheating by another million votes, we haven't really solved the problem, have we?

few years. It will not be a pleasant lesson, I assure you. We have another chance coming up, in 2018. We could turn this around and then attempt to undo the harm that has been done.

I hope we behave more sensibly for that election than we did in 2018.

Donald Trump? Really? How did he become President? Think about that and just what would have had to happen to prevent that outcome.

Beyond that, I have no other response to your reply.

WE are well and truly fucked on that count...the only hope is Justices holding on for 3 more years...I am now going to throw up for a while...

As you say, I hope no Justices retire until after that. Some are saying, though, that there could be retirements.

We have failed to prevent this. I'm just disappointed and sad about that.

No one believes the Ds have a chance at taking back the Senate in 2018.

Which means we are going to have a RW- stacked SCOTUS within the next couple of years, and that political leaning will extend for decades into the future.

And what THAT means is that even if the Ds take back the Congress and the presidency, Rs will have an ideologically bent SCOTUS that they can turn to whenever a piece of legislation gets passed that they don't like.

I don't care if no one says we have a chance. We have to do all we can to make it happen. Many things can happen in 1.5 years, and the last four special elections have shown that we can be competitive even in very red areas. Democrats don't typically vote in midterm elections. If we get organized and get out the vote like never before, we may be able to win back the Senate.

Only 8 of them are Rs. Those 8 include Orrin Hatch, Bob Corker and Ted Cruz.

Of the 25 Ds seats, more than a few are in red states. That doesn't bode well for us.

Yes - we need to fight. But the first step to fighting is knowing what you're up aganist.

As has been said, probably 15% of America would vote GOP if not for GOP media propaganda.

And distract and distort

The trickle of vote suppression laws happening now will become a tsunami because their backers will know SCOTUS will uphold them and therefore cement repugs wins across the board.

Same with Roe v Wade, transgender bathroom bills and all the other repug wish-list laws.

Even if trump is somehow pushed out, his SCOTUS appointees stay.

Our only hope is taking the House in 2018.

There is hope there as a trump backlash of unrealized jobs promises seems to be forming.

Kagan, Sotomeyer, Ginsberg, and Breyer are still on the court. It would take one of them retiring (and being replaced by Trump) to make it go 6-3.

that existed because of the repugs refusal to move on Obama's appointee.

That 4-4 alignment actually benefited us while it lasted.

With Gorsuch and the 5-4 imbalance back on the bench now any further replacements justices under a repug admin will most likely result in even more lopsidedly conservative decisions from SCOTUS.

It's unfortunate but we're looking at generational dominance by wingers on the court.

That's IF our votes even COUNT in 2018.

Several from our intelligence agencies have said that the ruskies are gearing up and coming for us in 2018. Per Cliff Watts/Malcolm Nance, they've never stopped interfering or working on their next way to screw Dem voters, and I'm sure they'll come with the new tricks up their sleeves for 2018. Like THIS DOJ is going to stop them? tReasonous tRumputin says that this "russher thing is a hoax." Well, he HAS to say that, or else. In fact, tReasonous tRumputin and the tReasonous GOP--and lying/racist sidekick beauguard will make SURE our votes don't count in 2018. There isn't much time before 2018 to fix what's wrong with voting across this country. Do you have faith in THIS Dept. of Homeland Security? From all I've heard/read, they've not really contacted anyone in any state to check out their voting apparatus & they've made no attempt to secure voting machines that I know of. I've no clue as to what we can do about this, as we're the minority party who'll get NO help from this skeleton crew running the various voting agencies across this country.

Finally, we KNOW that thuglicans will be voter-suppressing off the chain in 2018. Again, whose to stop them? Yes, I'm aware that the courts have given Dems a few good rulings as it relates to voter suppression/gerrymandering (TX & NC). However, there are going to be some court rulings along the way where we won't get a favorable rulings. The high court is taking up a case from WI about gerrymandering: http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a54672/supreme-court-gerrymandering-wisconsin/

Gorsucks is on the court so uh, I think that after the WI case is ruled on in favor of allowing gerrymandering to stand, WI is gone from the Dems column, and will stay red for the unforeseeable future. Same goes for MI, Ohio, Fl. etc. Our only REAL hope is Meuller (Hope he HAS the integrity all say he has), and who knows how long his investigation takes? It's looks to be wide-ranging & all-encompassing and hella thorough--it looks to be expanding, and even if Meuller finds many, many cases of impeachable offenses against the tReasonit-in-chief, WILL thuglicans actually impeach him? They need him in there so they can continue destroying this country. Ryan's BEEN wanting to get rid of health care and social security since he was in college, so he won't vote to impeach the traitor. Ryan's a treasonous traitor, we know McConnell also. McCain talks a good game against the ruskies, but in the end he IS a thuglican after all.

Dems will be living through a hideous russian winter for a LONG time only here in the USA, because if we can't vote to throw the thuglican bums OUT in 2018 and they end up increasing their numbers in the Senate and House thuglicans don't care about the ruskie interference thing. Some say "What russian interference?" They love power and owing all 3 branches of government and destroying people's lives. It's party over country for that group.

I won't even want to think about 2020, because I'm about to eat lunch and don't want to ruin my appetite any further.

That making arguments about it was weak, a cop out. Well, here we are. Those who decided our lives weren't important enough to get over their anger to vote for the Democrat helped put the fascist and his court in place. I realize they don't care and are happy with the fact they were able to punish so many Americans less privileged than themselves, and now millions will suffer due to their actions. And yet they still complain we aren't catering to their demands, as though no one else matters at all.

I will continue to work on GOTV and turn out as many votes as I can, regardless of how they may have voted in 2016 or any other election. But I will never forget or forgive.

The same people who gave such bad advice are still around and will speak again in the same way in the future. We should remember and remind everyone when those message begin again here and elsewhere.

In reality, we're already hearing them, even now.

Deciding to retire is a personal decision, and can be based on many factors. It's his decision, really. My only regret is that the country elected Donald Trump as the person to appoint new SCOTUS justices. That has the potential for real disaster.

The reasons for SCOTUS Justices to keep their seats or walk away are probably more complex than any of us realize. Eventually, though, they all leave the bench at some point, and we need to keep that in mind during every presidential election and Senate elections. We need not to lose sight of that at any time.

But, that takes a little foresight and thought. Both things appear to be in short supply in our electorate, though.

choosing when he retires.

That's a big deal. We should hold him partially responsible if he retires now and the seat is filled with a hate filled GOP partisan.

President Obama wanted progressives on the court and did so.
Trump put a deep conservative on the court.
He probably wants another moderate on the court, which isn't in the cards, our political system is too polarized for it. Tough choices for someone with his ideology

The problem, though isn't Justice Kennedy. He probably has good reasons for retiring, if he does do that. The problem is that we have a President who will select his replacement and who is a complete jerk. He will appoint someone who will seek to punish Americans, not protect them.

We knew, or should have known, that if Trump got into the White House, he would have opportunities to appoint Supreme Court justices during his term in office. Many people warned of that, but some sat out the election or voted for third party candidates. In just three states, that resulted in the electoral college vote going to Trump.

Justice Kennedy, if he resigns, knows all that, but may have excellent personal reasons for resigning at this time. I cannot blame him. I blame those who let Trump win. That is where blame should be attached, very frankly.

I think he would agree that a trump-chosen replacement would be overly right-wing and too partisan, but I can't see him thinking that he'd prefer to be replaced by a democratic president.

Besides, he may not have a choice given his age and maybe his health and whatever he'd like to do with his remaining time. If it's time to go, it's time to go.

He's not a 2000-on, GOP, autocratic, purchased-by-the-0.01%, repeating Murdoch/Koch talking points Republican.

Many 1970s Republicans are now Democrats.

You'd think Kennedy would care enough about America to hold on another year till possible impeachment.

who hang their heads in shame and hold their noses, but will never change their vote.

None of them will be good for the country or for any of us. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Too bad we can't have it before the election, eh? However, foresight was available, and shared widely. Not enough of us were paying attention, apparently.

but they were ignored, mocked and alert swarmed when they even raised the possibility of 2016 being a close election.


And so there are no accusations or confusion, I never thought Sanders could win the general election.

I didn't vote for Trump.

In this case, it means the entire electorate of the United States. You and I are both part of that "we," whether we like it or not.

And not to American Democracy and Constitution.

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find out how insane that advice was

The Jill Steins and Susan Sarandons should be ridiculed and ignored for the frauds they are

Don't forget about Cornell "Bernie would have destroyed tRump" West.

Has he made a statement about what could happen if this death bill happens? All he ever talks about is Neo-Fascism when he talks about tRumputin, but that's only AFTER he goes after Hillary.

If he has made a statement about this death care bill, let me know.

Let the system drain out. 20% unemployment. Democrats win in 2012 and get a strong hand to repair the damage. Democratic ideas persisted for over 2 generations after the great depression.

I don't care about the middle of this country. They can go to hell.
The Evangelicals and Catholics hurt this country beyond repair. More than any Muslim could have.

I posted this yesterday and it got just one response.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029243530

but they were so overwhelmed by their sheer hatred of Hillary that they didn't hear the message. I thought people had learned their lesson after the 2000 election and was amazed to see that they hadn't. I tried to tell several DUers that the 2000 election showed that one doesn't "teach the Democratic party a lesson" by letting the Republicans win. But they all knew better.

If you just imagine what kind of a world we would be living in now if Gore had become president in 2000 -- that we probably wouldn't have had 9/11; that we wouldn't have invaded Iraq; that hundreds of thousands of lives would have been saved across the world; that innocent people wouldn't have been tortured; that there would have been no ISIS; that we would have reduced the rate at which we're destroying our environment; that Samuel Alito and John Roberts would not be on the SCOTUS -- it's shameful and heartbreaking that we made the exact same mistake only sixteen years later.

All I can say is that I hope those who allowed their hateful sexism to blind them to reality are pleased with the very-male and very-macho president they got themselves. I hope they're happy that they kept the presidency of the United States all-male. I hope they're delighted that they are not being led by a highly intelligent, highly experienced, and highly competent woman. I hope they're tickled pink with joy, because their selfish sexism has hurt too many people, and we're only six months into this.