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Who is in charge? Staff are performing workarounds to avoid 45's incompetence.
What Happens When a Presidency Loses Its Legitimacy?
"Whether the Trump campaign knowingly coordinated its activities with the Russians remains uncertain. The Trump campaign may have been a wholly passive and unwitting beneficiary. Yes, its curious that the Russians allegedly directed their resources to the Rust Belt states also targeted by the Trump campaign. But its conceivable they were all just reading the same polls on FiveThirtyEight and RealClearPolitics.
Trump himself passionately denounces the whole thing as a monstrous hoax, a made-up story. He has not yet lost all his true believers. But those believers do not include very many of the leading Republicans in Congress. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell agrees it happened. So does House Speaker Paul Ryan. The House number two, Kevin McCarthy, has even joked that Russia pays Trump.
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The U.S. government is already osmotically working around the presidency, a process enabled by the presidents visible distaste for the work of governance. The National Security Council staff is increasingly a double-headed institution, a zone of struggle between Kushner-Flynn-Bannon types on one side, and a growing staff of capable, experienced, and Russia-skeptical functionaries on the other. The Senate has voted 97-2 to restrict the presidents authority to relax Russia sanctions. It seems the president has been persuaded to take himself out of the chain of command in the escalating military operations in Afghanistan. National-Security Adviser H.R. McMaster recently assured the nation that Trump could not have done much harm when he blabbed a vital secret to the Russian foreign minister in the Oval Office, precisely because the president was not briefed on crucial sources and methods information.
In their way, these workarounds are almost as dangerous to the American system of government as the Trump presidency itself. They tend to reduce the president to the status of an absentee emperor while promoting his subordinates into shoguns who exercise power in his name. Maybe that is the least-bad practicable solution to the unprecedented threat of a presidency-under-suspicion. But what a terrible price for the failure of so many American institutionsnot least the voters!to protect the country in 2016 from Russias attack on its election and its democracy.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/what-happens-when-a-presidency-loses-its-legitimacy/531447/
Edited to add link.
Doug the Dem
(1,297 posts)How can one lose what one never had?
BobTheSubgenius
(11,564 posts)EarnestPutz
(2,120 posts)Last month George Will wrote a column on the danger presented
by having a president who not only didn't know anything and didn't know what
he didn't know, but "didn't know what it meant to know something". Someone
who had no real appreciation for the difference between facts and falsehoods.
procon
(15,805 posts)and unqualified to hold that office that he has willingly abdicated his duties and obligations as the Commander in Chief, this country is ripe for a military coup.
Brother Buzz
(36,444 posts)QED
(2,747 posts)Sorry about that. Need more coffee.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/what-happens-when-a-presidency-loses-its-legitimacy/531447/
Brother Buzz
(36,444 posts)Frum is an odd duck. A few short years ago, I held him in vile contempt, yet of late, I find myself agreeing with him more times then not.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)an absolute crazy freak like Trump. Not worth it in the long run.
Baitball Blogger
(46,735 posts)QED
(2,747 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,005 posts)colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)If enough people come to their senses and enough with sense show up in 2018 maybe then. But the republicans hold both houses and as long as they see Chitolini as a useful idiot not much will change.
This is the closest we have come to totalitarianism in a long time (mid 30s)....In a pre right wing propoganda media atmosphere it would be easier to bounce back but as it is....I hope It never comes to this but remain glad, just in case, that I am not much more than 3 hours from Canada.
It galls me that this orange fraud will be forever in our history and almanacs as one of our presidents. Nixon was a petty little bigot who was not above safe cracking. But he was competent as opposed to the reality show half (if that)bright egomaniac.
MiddleClass
(888 posts)Like I said in the other thread about this.
The founding fathers instituted 3 separate supposedly equal branches of government.
And give them 3 separate powers.
But also give them oversight power over one of the of the branches.
Legislative is it check on executive is a check for judicial, is a check on legislative
, when one falls down of the job. Bam, impeachment, appointment, and strike down
what if 2 falls down? The executive and legislative is feckless, what now constitutional crisis?
Nothing until the 2018 election. If they don't steel that one too.