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Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 04:49 PM Jun 2017

Was T's talk of election rigging carefully calculated and not the ravings of a madman?

In light of the WaPo article, I started to think that perhaps what many attributed to a crazy man's rants was a carefully calculated strategy:

"They (Obama admin) also worried that any action they took would be perceived as political interference in an already volatile campaign. By August, Trump was predicting that the election would be rigged. Obama officials feared providing fuel to such claims, playing into Russia’s efforts to discredit the outcome and potentially contaminating the expected Clinton triumph."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/world/national-security/obama-putin-election-hacking/?hpid=hp_hp-banner-high_russiaobama-banner-7a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.9af394c55610

So if Trump and Assoc. were colluding with Russia...having T claim the election was rigged could have been a very effective strategy. Maybe his advisors were telling him to say that.. I don't see anything to indicate that T is a strategic thinker.
We already know that Kris Kobach of Interstate Crosscheck fame, who worked closely on his campaign, was preaching massive voter fraud which T believed. So he could have been just saying it because he believed it. Regardless, it played right into Putin's hands.

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Was T's talk of election rigging carefully calculated and not the ravings of a madman? (Original Post) Amaryllis Jun 2017 OP
That was my thought. The rigging started around the time that the WH received that intel KewlKat Jun 2017 #1
Do you remember when it was Control-Z Jun 2017 #16
"Russia if you're listening..." leftstreet Jun 2017 #21
Thanks, leftstreet. Control-Z Jun 2017 #23
How apt! leftstreet Jun 2017 #24
Calculated. Everything he accused HRC of he did sharedvalues Jun 2017 #2
Psychiatrists call it projection MiddleClass Jun 2017 #6
If he were merely crazy, psychiatry would apply. This is autocratic. sharedvalues Jun 2017 #11
Calculated. He was claiming foreigners were going to vote. At the same time Russia was trying emulatorloo Jun 2017 #3
You got it. "Maybe his advisers are telling him to say that." MiddleClass Jun 2017 #4
That's my thinking. There is nothing about him that says strategic thinker. And I think he Amaryllis Jun 2017 #12
Absofrigginlutely NotASurfer Jun 2017 #5
Yup +1 (n/t) FreepFryer Jun 2017 #10
It was ravings. He couldn't miss the opportunity to trash Obama and didn't realize by doing so Vinca Jun 2017 #7
I agree nini Jun 2017 #19
I have long thought that he was playing from Putin's script. unitedwethrive Jun 2017 #8
Yes, and the script originally was to undermine faith in the system they had lefties saying "rigged" bettyellen Jun 2017 #14
Absolutely. No down side for him. (n/t) FreepFryer Jun 2017 #9
Tried and true Repug strategy. Always accuse the Dems of doing it before you get caught doing it. nt eppur_se_muova Jun 2017 #13
These are not mutually exclusive. politicat Jun 2017 #15
Good points. Not mutually exclusive. That makes sense. Amaryllis Jun 2017 #17
There's a plan behind it. He's reinforcing a narrative. dalton99a Jun 2017 #18
More like a dog whistle to Republicans that they needed to fix the election or lose. L. Coyote Jun 2017 #20
THey had it fixed long before. 30 states were using Interstate Crosscheck. Amaryllis Jun 2017 #22

KewlKat

(5,624 posts)
1. That was my thought. The rigging started around the time that the WH received that intel
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 04:51 PM
Jun 2017

another coinky dink?

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
16. Do you remember when it was
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 12:45 AM
Jun 2017

that he asked Russia to hack Hillary's email? It was during a debate. I don't recall which one or what month. He was clearly in on it at that time, though. But I think it was a slip on his part. You know, running at the mouth, wanting so badly to brag about how his Russians friends but not being allowed to.

leftstreet

(36,108 posts)
21. "Russia if you're listening..."
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 11:54 AM
Jun 2017

“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Mr. Trump said during a news conference here in an apparent reference to Mrs. Clinton’s deleted emails. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”

July 27, 2016

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/28/us/politics/donald-trump-russia-clinton-emails.html

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
23. Thanks, leftstreet.
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 01:57 PM
Jun 2017

Well I had event and timeline completely wrong, didn't I? But it doesn't change my point. They were already helping him. He was already aware, imo. That was an example of a kid in a candy shop, with 4 or 5 bags off candy already in his grips and having been told to behave. But he couldn't. He wanted everyone to know he got the candy, not Hillary. Russia was helping him.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
2. Calculated. Everything he accused HRC of he did
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 04:51 PM
Jun 2017

Or he wanted to do.

It's an autocrat's trick. Accuse your opponent of the horrible things you are doing. If you accuse first it's harder for others to then point out you doing the same thing.

MiddleClass

(888 posts)
6. Psychiatrists call it projection
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 05:32 PM
Jun 2017

Once you make an accusation, your opponent cannot repeat and redirect the same accusation to you.

Without looking totally childish.

You're a do do head no, you a……

You are a egomaniac, no, you are the egomaniac.

Totally brilliant, but not Donald Trump

emulatorloo

(44,131 posts)
3. Calculated. He was claiming foreigners were going to vote. At the same time Russia was trying
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 05:06 PM
Jun 2017

to hack voter databases. The ultimate foreigners.

Sharedvalues nailed it.

MiddleClass

(888 posts)
4. You got it. "Maybe his advisers are telling him to say that."
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 05:20 PM
Jun 2017

I think it was strategic group think.

Bannon, Kushner, and the Russian connections are evil genius.

Donald Trump is just an egotistical empty vessel

Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
12. That's my thinking. There is nothing about him that says strategic thinker. And I think he
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 06:06 PM
Jun 2017

totally believed Kobach's voter fraud narrative.

NotASurfer

(2,151 posts)
5. Absofrigginlutely
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 05:30 PM
Jun 2017

Got Hillary to go on the record that the outcome was not rigged, so she couldn't protest the result

Vinca

(50,276 posts)
7. It was ravings. He couldn't miss the opportunity to trash Obama and didn't realize by doing so
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 05:34 PM
Jun 2017

it confirmed the Russian hacking wasn't a hoax.

nini

(16,672 posts)
19. I agree
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 11:43 AM
Jun 2017

That whole bunch of them can't seem to play chess here to give them that much credit.

unitedwethrive

(1,997 posts)
8. I have long thought that he was playing from Putin's script.
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 05:35 PM
Jun 2017

It all seemed like just too much to be coincidental.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
14. Yes, and the script originally was to undermine faith in the system they had lefties saying "rigged"
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 08:26 PM
Jun 2017

as well. Russia pushed that crap from both sides. When will we learn from that?

That made them look more credible. Today it's Pelosi sucks and the same folks are falling for it.

politicat

(9,808 posts)
15. These are not mutually exclusive.
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 10:19 PM
Jun 2017

Hamlet had it right: There's method to his madness.

Final Fantasy also had it right: There's method in his malice.

A narcissist loves to let all the props and plebs (i.e. The rest of the world) know that he's extra smart, in the know, more powerful, more connected than those silly little Non Player Characters. They do this by dropping hints, dropping names and showing off.

But narcissists are also intensely paranoid, because deep down, they know they're a sham, and they fear more than anything that all the cardboard people, whose attention they desperately need, will wake up, become real people, and know the truth. This usually manifests as projection -- they accuse everyone else of doing what they are doing (or want to do), or committing the crimes they are committing. Narcissist paranoia is a real life example of that old saw about the rudeness of pointing: when you point at something, three fingers point back at you. When a narcissist is pointing, look closely at what he's pointing at, then examine his person for that exact situation.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
20. More like a dog whistle to Republicans that they needed to fix the election or lose.
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 11:48 AM
Jun 2017

Trump was supplying a convenient lie to rationalize rigging the election, "The other side is already doing it, so we have no choice."

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