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LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 06:09 PM Jun 2017

The GOP is Starting a Bernie Sanders Witch Hunt

From Paste magazine: You'll Never Believe This, but Republicans are Starting a Bernie Sanders Witch Hunt. (Well yeah, I can believe just about anything evil Republicans can do):

If you’re unfamiliar with this newest GOP inquisition, you can read a story by Harry Jaffe on Politico that promotes the “scandal” as a byzantine, mysterious, and potentially sordid affair with no easy answers. However, I recommend that you do not read that story, because it’s godawful in its desperate attempt to paint this as something more than drummed-up political hackery. Jaffe manufactures fog for fog’s sake, all to give the story a veneer of something more substantial than the baseless partisan witch hunt of the kind that Republicans adore. I advise you to skip it entirely.

In fact, the outline of the real story is pretty damn simple. Here’s what’s happening:

1. In 2004, Jane Sanders, Bernie’s wife, became the president of Burlington College in Vermont. She orchestrated the purchase of lakefront property at a discount from a Roman Catholic diocese who were financially burdened by lawsuits. It was a bad move—she had to take out a bunch of loans from various quarters, and the anticipated financial benefits never materialized. The deal was finalized in 2010, and Sanders was forced out in 2011, partly because of financial matters, and partly because of personal conflicts. Burlington College closed in 2016. It seems fair to say that Jane Sanders was not the ideal leader for this institution.

2. Brady Toensing, a Republican apparatchik in Vermont who chaired Trump’s campaign in the state and has never liked Bernie Sanders, managed to get federal investigators involved, and soon introduced allegations (with absolutely no supporting evidence) that Bernie Sanders used his position as Senator to exert pressure on certain banks to approve the loans for the land deal. Toensing is famous for launching attacks on Democrats in the state, including the former Governor—he even tried to nail Bernie Sanders on a bogus campaign finance charge in 2016, and his mom was one of the Benghazi power players—but this is frivolous even by his standards, which we’ll see in a moment.

3. This, in turn, forced the Sanders’ to hire lawyers. Jaffe, or some editor, decided to title his article “Jane Sanders Lawyers Up,” as though hiring a lawyer is an implication of guilt.

4. If Trump really wanted to stick it to Sanders, he could appoint someone like Toensing as U.S. Attorney for Vermont, and Toensing could go full Benghazi with this thing.

Buried deep in the Politico story is Toensing's admission that:

"The evidence for that charge seems to be thin, at best. According to sources familiar with the matter, the alleged “pressure” may have simply been a casual suggestion—perhaps chatter by a Sanders staffer over lunch, instead of a written document or email—and though such a suggestion might still be improper, it would be difficult to prove a direct connection to the senator."

I recommend reading the Paste mag story, NOT the Politico smear piece.

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The GOP is Starting a Bernie Sanders Witch Hunt (Original Post) LongTomH Jun 2017 OP
Yep - It's Bernie's Benghazi KTM Jun 2017 #1
Oh how nice it would be MuseRider Jun 2017 #4
They must be visting DU to know how it's done juxtaposed Jun 2017 #2
This story was first reported on by Vermont newspapers. R B Garr Jun 2017 #3
Paste has something against HRC supporters. They attack them w lies regularly . bettyellen Jun 2017 #9
The story was fed to the VTDigger by the same guy filing the complaints. Bradley Toensing. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2017 #12
lol, this story has been out for years, if you want to talk about working a chicken. R B Garr Jun 2017 #14
I think you underestimate the journalists at VTDigger. emulatorloo Jun 2017 #24
The story started out, ground zero, with Toensing. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2017 #32
If you actually read the VTDigger where this originated, you'll see how R B Garr Jun 2017 #33
Again VTDigger are interviewing witnesses who have been contacting by investigators emulatorloo Jun 2017 #34
Those two are part of the original ratfucking crew going back to the 90s. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2017 #37
Sounds like she may have overstated some of the future donations, but still emulatorloo Jun 2017 #39
There are lots of folks into ratfucking. The Arkansas Project interviewed R B Garr Jun 2017 #40
As I understand the case, the allegations are that Jane Sanders lied about how much money had Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #50
The Vermont newspapers say exactly the opposite of what you are falsely R B Garr Jun 2017 #36
The VTDigger from Sept. 2015 doesn't match your story. R B Garr Jun 2017 #26
Not really. See below: George II Jun 2017 #44
Actually we don't know if the bank filed a SAR report. hrmjustin Jun 2017 #54
Preemptive strikes, like what they did to Hillary. Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2017 #5
The Repugs Are Using Anything They Can To Change The News From... global1 Jun 2017 #6
Paste magazine has been full of shit lately. Sorry but.... bettyellen Jun 2017 #7
And then there's this gem from Paste. They have an obvious agenda.... bettyellen Jun 2017 #8
From Jeff Weaver no less... sheshe2 Jun 2017 #16
I wouldn't believe Weaver if his tongue came notarized emulatorloo Jun 2017 #27
Good find n/t emulatorloo Jun 2017 #28
Both of those are awful. I can't find their anti-WaPo tweets but it was something about bettyellen Jun 2017 #31
Bernie will understand what a vast RW conspiracy is all about. democratisphere Jun 2017 #10
More Dem bashing bullshit from your source at Paste: bettyellen Jun 2017 #11
That is what it looks like. sheshe2 Jun 2017 #15
I noticed they're big on discrediting WaPo and the Russian investigation..... bettyellen Jun 2017 #17
Yup. sheshe2 Jun 2017 #20
Paste is more of a music and entertainment publication than a political one. LongTomH Jun 2017 #19
media is always evolving - who knew Teen Vogue would turn out to be informative? bettyellen Jun 2017 #23
Paste was publishing anti-Hillary propaganda lapucelle Jun 2017 #53
Thanks. A poor source. emulatorloo Jun 2017 #30
This week has been a challenging week for Democratic cohesion. Baitball Blogger Jun 2017 #13
Paste sucks. They tear down Dems and push fake news crap about WaPo bettyellen Jun 2017 #18
Karma. tallahasseedem Jun 2017 #21
Paste? NCTraveler Jun 2017 #22
The GOP is on a witchhunt for all democratic leaders lovemydogs Jun 2017 #25
sorry to double post but, I googled Jaffe lovemydogs Jun 2017 #29
This came up last year during the primaries. sarge43 Jun 2017 #38
Yep, the GOP and the wall street banksters have been saving this up elmac Jun 2017 #35
Is there an extant SAR? The Senator could answer that and be done. Persisted Jun 2017 #41
Post removed Post removed Jun 2017 #42
lol, Trump also uses that line in his tweets. R B Garr Jun 2017 #43
What line would that be? Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #45
You typed some other words. I'm sure you can find them. nt R B Garr Jun 2017 #46
Same thing Trump says. What a coincidence bettyellen Jun 2017 #47
That's the same thing Trump and repubs would say... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #48
Yes, Trump claims all opposition is sour grapes over Hillary's loss, same as you did. We see you. bettyellen Jun 2017 #49
I don't see this as a witch hunt. hrmjustin Jun 2017 #51
This is something usually reserved for someone they fear as a candidate. Surely they don't napi21 Jun 2017 #52
 

KTM

(1,823 posts)
1. Yep - It's Bernie's Benghazi
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 06:16 PM
Jun 2017

And a certain contingent here eats it up like Trumpies gobble fake news.

MuseRider

(34,111 posts)
4. Oh how nice it would be
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 06:22 PM
Jun 2017

to have so much time to refight and refight and refight the liberal here.

It isn't his turn or something.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)
12. The story was fed to the VTDigger by the same guy filing the complaints. Bradley Toensing.
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 06:59 PM
Jun 2017

Bradley Toensing is the spawn of Victoria Toensing and Joe Degenova - they have been chasing the Clintons around with a hatchet for twenty years. Most recently, their pet project has been Hillary Clinton and Benghazi.

The bank didn't raise a beef.
The Catholic Diocese didn't raise a beef.

And no parishioner raised a beef. Except for some republican stooge claiming to be an aggrieved church member - a former candidate for republican treasurer.

Note: this response isn't for you. You already know this. It's for anybody interested. You keep working that chicken.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
14. lol, this story has been out for years, if you want to talk about working a chicken.
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 07:05 PM
Jun 2017

And if I told you to keep working a chicken, my post would get hidden.

And what do you insist I already know?? lol, this is why these conspiracy theories are not credible.







emulatorloo

(44,131 posts)
24. I think you underestimate the journalists at VTDigger.
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 07:16 PM
Jun 2017

We all know what assholes the Toensings and Degenova are. Professional Dem haters.

VTDigger is reporting on witnesses who have been contacted by the FDIC and FBI, not gullibly relying on Toensing..

I hope to hell the Sanders get cleared. It is counterproductive to claim there's no investigation.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)
32. The story started out, ground zero, with Toensing.
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 07:29 PM
Jun 2017

He started feeding his work to VTD. (See politico article)

No one is saying there is no investigation. I'm certainly not. Heck, I'm not even claiming this is a "security review".

This one of those, what do you call it? Nothing burgers? At least this one won't blow up in our face at the worst possible moment.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
33. If you actually read the VTDigger where this originated, you'll see how
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 07:31 PM
Jun 2017

that is implausible, and that is being polite.

And the Politico article doesn't say what you said it did. You should read it again before insulting people just because you don't like what is being reported.

emulatorloo

(44,131 posts)
34. Again VTDigger are interviewing witnesses who have been contacting by investigators
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 07:46 PM
Jun 2017

Not relying on Toensing. They have a decent rep for political reporting as I understand it.

That being said I am glad I found somebody who loathes Joe Degenova and Vicky Toensing as much as I do.

My expectation is Jane will be cleared by the investigation. I think she made mistakes but she had no intention of any wrongdoing.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)
37. Those two are part of the original ratfucking crew going back to the 90s.
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 08:00 PM
Jun 2017

I highly doubt this will come to anything.

I'm going on thirty years in consumer lending and commercial/residential real estate lending/underwriting/originating. Not sure how they are going to nail anyone down on what they were future promised for if come maybe donations.

emulatorloo

(44,131 posts)
39. Sounds like she may have overstated some of the future donations, but still
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 08:08 PM
Jun 2017

that sounds like a optimistic mistake rather than anything intentional. So yeah I agree this will likely come to nothing.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
40. There are lots of folks into ratfucking. The Arkansas Project interviewed
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 08:10 PM
Jun 2017

darn near everyone in Arkansas to get dirt on the Clintons. Nice to see your concern for the Clintons and all they endured with the ratfuckers. They got attacked from *all* directions.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
50. As I understand the case, the allegations are that Jane Sanders lied about how much money had
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 10:20 PM
Jun 2017

been pledged to the college on bank documents and it is further alleged that Sen. Sanders pressured the bank to approve the loan. I have no idea what the truth is, but you can't lie on mortgage documents. It is illegal...a federal crime.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
36. The Vermont newspapers say exactly the opposite of what you are falsely
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 07:58 PM
Jun 2017

claiming. As has been said here, Toensing picked up stories from the Vermont papers. He wasn't "feeding" them "work". LOL. So answer the question: Do the Vermont newspapers have something against Bernie? I would think not.

"On July 7, 2014, Seven Days, a Vermont alternative weekly newspaper, published a deeply reported piece by Alicia Freese about Burlington College’s plummeting fortunes. The New England Association of Schools and Colleges had put it on probation because of the school’s shaky finances. The college was about to sell off land to defray its mounting debt.

Two weeks after Freese’s piece appeared, Toensing requested loan documents from the Vermont Educational and Health Buildings Finance Agency that had issued the $6.5 million bonds for the land."

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
26. The VTDigger from Sept. 2015 doesn't match your story.
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 07:19 PM
Jun 2017
https://vtdigger.org/2015/09/13/jane-sanders-overstated-donation-amounts-in-loan-application-for-burlington-college/

This story was first reported by Vermont newspapers. But...at least it's nice to see the sudden concern for the Clintons as this hits the papers...

George II

(67,782 posts)
44. Not really. See below:
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 08:32 PM
Jun 2017
https://vtdigger.org/2017/04/27/emails-reveal-fbi-justice-probe-burlington-college/

"In January 2016, after reporting by VTDigger showing former Burlington College President Jane Sanders overstated pledged donations in applying for a loan so the school could purchase its former North Avenue campus, Republican lawyer Brady Toensing made a formal request to the U.S. attorney for a fraud investigation."

Toensing made his formal request AFTER VTDigger reported on the questionable pledges.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,855 posts)
5. Preemptive strikes, like what they did to Hillary.
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 06:30 PM
Jun 2017

The long trickling of negativity that seeps into the minds of the average Joe, who doesn't fact-check or follow politics very closely, pays off for them.

I really hope that people like Al Gore, another long-time pariah of right-wing media, never wins the Democratic nomination again. It'll be the same result... a loss.

global1

(25,253 posts)
6. The Repugs Are Using Anything They Can To Change The News From...
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 06:35 PM
Jun 2017

their killing healthcare bill that rewards the rich at the expense of everyone else. Sanders, Pelosi, Comey, Obama, Hillary and the Dems in general. They don't want to have to talk healthcare or defend what they're doing.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
7. Paste magazine has been full of shit lately. Sorry but....
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 06:40 PM
Jun 2017




Can add more later that is more relevant, but they attack HRC supporters and Dems all the damn time.

emulatorloo

(44,131 posts)
27. I wouldn't believe Weaver if his tongue came notarized
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 07:21 PM
Jun 2017

And I was a Sanders primary supporter. All of his rhetoric was negative bullshit personal attacks.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
31. Both of those are awful. I can't find their anti-WaPo tweets but it was something about
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 07:24 PM
Jun 2017

A detail of something not getting a retraction. Literally using that to cast shade on all their reporting of Russia. Pathetic anti-Dem propaganda.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
10. Bernie will understand what a vast RW conspiracy is all about.
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 06:52 PM
Jun 2017

This is a taste of what HRC has endured for the last 30 years.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
17. I noticed they're big on discrediting WaPo and the Russian investigation.....
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 07:09 PM
Jun 2017

Sounds like a familiar combo of anti-Dem propaganda to me.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
19. Paste is more of a music and entertainment publication than a political one.
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 07:11 PM
Jun 2017

I didn't cross-check to see whether it ran content criticizing figures within the Democratic party.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paste_(magazine)

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
23. media is always evolving - who knew Teen Vogue would turn out to be informative?
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 07:15 PM
Jun 2017

Or Buzzfeed would stop printing total nonsense?

Paste is garbage. They're muddying the waters and generating distrust toward other media while misquoting people themselves. They are not Dem friendly.

Baitball Blogger

(46,735 posts)
13. This week has been a challenging week for Democratic cohesion.
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 07:02 PM
Jun 2017

Looks like the Republicans are trying to play the old divide and conquer. First they wanted us to cut Pelosi loose, and now it looks like they're trying to resurrect the divisions from the primary.

I hope we are smart enough to see through their power play.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
22. Paste?
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 07:15 PM
Jun 2017

It was reported in a Vermont outlet. Please show me the consistent right wing bias of the Vermont paper against Sanders.

Nice talking points they have provided. Those who view Sanders as a deity needed them. Maybe Sanders will feel he should be transparent and release ten or so years of his full tax returns. That might make some of us feel a little more at ease with him. Maybe the are a part of the FBI investigation. Or maybe Jane is "amending" them.

He is still a pretty insignificant player in the senate. I doubt republicans will go after him. They greatly appreciate Sanders attacks on Democrats.

One issue and they think the Republicans are swinging. Just more proof he couldn't handle one step in the shoes of someone like Clinton or Pelosi.

lovemydogs

(575 posts)
25. The GOP is on a witchhunt for all democratic leaders
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 07:19 PM
Jun 2017

I believe they are the ones with the dump Pelosi campaign.
Right at the same time as the dubious story on Bernie.
Schumer will be next

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
38. This came up last year during the primaries.
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 08:07 PM
Jun 2017

Big nothing burger then. Another burger today.

Next they'll bring up Sanders applying for conscientious objector status and he honeymooned in Russia.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
35. Yep, the GOP and the wall street banksters have been saving this up
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 07:48 PM
Jun 2017

just in case he got elected or for a rainy day, like now. Rotten fascist pigs.

Response to LongTomH (Original post)

napi21

(45,806 posts)
52. This is something usually reserved for someone they fear as a candidate. Surely they don't
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 10:27 PM
Jun 2017

expect Bernie to run again in 2020? If they do, then I say GO FOR IT, idiots! Hope you spend MILLIONS on your venture!

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