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TheHill:
Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) on Sunday said you have to blame yourself, not others, when you lose an election.
During an interview on ABC's "This Week," Schumer said the lesson the Democrats should take from their loss in Georgia is that the party needs a clear message and agenda.
"Democrats need a strong, bold, sharp-edged and commonsense economic agenda. Policy, platform, message that appeal to the middle class, that resonate with the middle class, and show that and unite Democrats," he said.
"This economic message platform is going to resonate. Its what we were missing, and its not going to be baby steps its going to bold."
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http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/339364-schumer-you-dont-blame-other-people-for-losing-an-election
Wise words Senator Schumer.
KTM
(1,823 posts)If a different senator had said the exact same thing, this thread would be on fire.
Trial_By_Fire
(624 posts)Suspicious isn't it...
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smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Thank you Chuck!
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Democrats did nothing to cause the losses in 2016 and the Special Elections. And he's right. But if a certain other Senator said it, this thread would be on FIRE.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)they're tired from all that yawning over the certain other Senator working in PA, OH and WV to save Obama's signature legislation -- the ACA.
Stargleamer
(1,990 posts)I myself do very much blame James Comey and the Russians and the Trump campaign staff that were colluding with the Russians. Yes, we could have done better and gone with a candidate with less baggage. But it was Comey who cost us the election, and it looks like the Russians played a role as well
LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)Better start talking about the situation NEXT year concerning all of the voter-suppression on 'roids and ruskie involvement they'll BE in the 2018 mid-terms. And you're right: The ruskies did meddle, and we still don't know to what extent. We may not find out until YEARS from now. Updates about ruskie interference comes out almost every other week showing that their interference into our elections was far wider than we thought just a few months ago. Nance, Brennen, Comey, Watts Jeh Johnson and our Intelligence agencies guarantee that they'll be back, only this time we KNOW it'll be with new and improved tactics and dirty tricks that might extend over into more blue Dem strongholds than the ones that were compromised in 2016 (PA., MI., WI.). Those asses haven't ever stopped meddling--they're still doing what they do--sewing the seeds of divisiveness, spreading lies, have their bots all over the internet spreading propaganda etc., so we know they've been working on their NEXT encore into our elections where it concerns out antiquated, vulnerable voting apparatus. ruskie mission: gearing up for 2018. Where are the Dems on this?
Mr. Schumer: How in HELL will we be able to vote thuglicans out if our votes don't count? 2018 is not that far away, and we won't have enough time to fix all of the voting disasters that we have been warned about lay ahead for 2018. THIS woefully staffed Dept. of Homeland inSecurity isn't going to do jack squat to make sure Dems have an even playing field when voting, and they're sure not going to stop ruskie meddling. They're not contacting anyone to check on the viability of voting machines that I've heard. But of course they wouldn't anyway. We know that racist, big-eared beauguard doesn't CARE if Dems/minorities have the right to vote. We know putin's puppet makes up shit as he goes along. Now, it's Pres. Obama's fault for not stopping the ruskies from helping his fat ass win the presidency Then the next day, it's but the russhier thing is a hoax, and that's why I fired Comey (Mueller heard/saw him). Now he's going to give the ruskies back their compounds that were seized because they were jack asses for meddling in our elections. We know he has to give them back, or else. I'm sure the fat, nasty, mentally-deteriorating one will be blaming Pres. Obama and Hillary or which ever Dem for almost everyone around him, his weak-chined family, people in his inner circle (Lock him up Misha, Manaford) for having ties up to their eyeballs with the ruskies, because as we remember, he blamed Pres. Obama for Lock me up Misha's firing, because Misha was a treasonous asshole that Pres. Obama told fatso to NOT hire Yeah, it's Pres. Obama's fault that Crooked Kushner was back channeling the ruskies
Back to my original point: Schumer's talking about not blaming anybody for our loses. He has the right to his opinion. However, what we also KNOW is that thuglicans cross-checked, voter purged, and voter Id's dems OFF of voter rolls in 3 key states: PA, WI, MI. FACT. tRumputin won those states he had to win by 1%. FACT. We also know that the ruskies interfered in our elections, and that they'll be BACK say our Intelligence agencies: FACT. NO Dem, not even Bernie would have won THAT kind of rigged, meddled in by russia, voter-suppressed election. thuglicans like that rotten POS McConnell KNEW what was happening, and he wanted it to happen. He and thuglicans got what they wanted. AGAIN.
Dems better step up and start really talking about this. It's bad enough that it doesn't appear that they'll be enough time to FIX this voting situation before 2018, because we have a hostile, treasonous government installed right over HERE in the United States of America, and it's called the GOP and they have a useful idiot they're holding onto named tRump. The ring-leader resides over in russia. I mean damn, we're not calling the shots in our OWN country. And most Dems CONTINUE to play "nice" with that vile, evil, rotten, treasonous party who gives another crazy, authoritarian, strongman autonomy over US fro GD russia.
Lord have mercy, Jesus.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)I have always liked him. He is a straight talker.
Trial_By_Fire
(624 posts)"Democrats need a strong, bold, sharp-edged and commonsense economic agenda. Policy, platform, message that appeal to the middle class, that resonate with the middle class, and show that and unite Democrats,"
Very wise words indeed...
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)seaglass
(8,173 posts)But someone outside the family is not given the same rights. Have you never heard that before?
Though I am not and have never been a Schumer fan.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,670 posts)other than we yo-yos out here in cyberspace.
If we're talking strictly about GA6, at least. That was always gonna be an uphill battle, anyway.
aikoaiko
(34,172 posts)Thank you Sen. Schumer. Maybe the party "loyalists" will accept it from you.
leftstreet
(36,109 posts)I wonder what that means
Trial_By_Fire
(624 posts)...if and when Dems get control again..
TexasBushwhacker
(20,204 posts)andym
(5,444 posts)For example. the middle class loves small business-- perhaps there can be a major focus on helping people create and grow small businesses. Such policies could easily be tied in to favorite Democratic ideas like universal healthcare. For example, a universal health care system that covers everyone removes the cost of health care from small businesses.
ZX86
(1,428 posts)Does this mean we as Democrats are abandoning incrementalism as policy and philosophy? Are phrases like, "We don't have the votes" and "I'm not there yet" a thing of the past? Is bipartisanship and "reaching across the aisle" taking a backseat to traditional Democratic values and priorities?
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)North Carolina Republicans seized power in 2010 and wiped out decades of progress in a matter of months. Seems many Democrats didn't listen, but they're living it now with Drumpf.
delisen
(6,044 posts)Last edited Sun Jun 25, 2017, 08:24 PM - Edit history (1)
so it's possible some will be disappointed.
I can see a vision for income equality, health care, and an attack on debt.
delisen
(6,044 posts)Trial_By_Fire
(624 posts)Infrastructure is part of the commons and needs to be paid by the people thru taxes.
Private companies can bid for the work but not own it.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)And legalization, using Colorado's success as an example.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)We have so much to work with! So many positives and so much shit to fling at the republicans - and yes, before you get on my ass, I do believe we need to go negative when it comes to them - that we just aren't getting that message across.
I am so frustrated because i can see so much more. So much better! They need a great PR firm to get them out of this rut and they need to stop pointing fingers at EACH OTHER!
So who is going to take the bull by the balls and get this train back on track?
Trial_By_Fire
(624 posts)We can do both: speak on the Dem goals and objectives and
nail the repubs on all the shit they do.
I also think we need to run candidates to run hard on the Dem platform.
Running as a republican in a republican district gives the people NO CHOICE. So they
always vote republican.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)appeal to the average working person. It's a no brainer. Look at the campaign being run against Paul Ryan in Wisconsin. That is how you do it. We just need someone with some vision to lead this media campaign.
Trial_By_Fire
(624 posts)It gives the people something to vote 'for' and not 'against'.
Autumn
(45,109 posts)Thanks for posting.
Trial_By_Fire
(624 posts)The Dem leadership needs to push hard on a progressive agenda.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Hey you!!
Autumn
(45,109 posts)MuseRider
(34,111 posts)not in bringing the people back to health, protection and enough money to actually live without fear or suffering. Those things need to be handled now. Way to go Mr. Schumer. I had no faith in you, thought you were just another wishy washy dem. When you brought in Bernie, for whatever reason, I looked at you again. You have begun to show an actual hard liberal side with maybe not fire but with certainty. I like that!
Thanks Autumn, glad to see you.
Autumn
(45,109 posts)and that really perked me up. When people are dying without health care incrementalism is not going to help.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Nevernose
(13,081 posts)Many people are responsible for losses or wins in politics, each to varying degrees. The individual candidate almost always bears 100% of the responsibility. The national party some, the hired strategists probably more than a somewhat-nebulous national "party." Obviously in this metaphor, 100% isn't the maximum. Either that or I graduated from Dan Quayle University.
Anyway: placing blame on others is, at absolute best, totally useless. We can only change our own actions. The answer to "What would you do differently next time?" cannot ever be "I've got no idea, but let me tell you what my winning opponent should do next time!"
This is the same reason I get mad at the endless Bernie-bashing and nearly-as-bad HRC bashing. It doesn't fucking matter. Bernie would have won the general election! I actually believe this, but so fucking what? He lost the primary. He wasn't the general candidate. "Rewrite history" is not a valid option for doing things differently next time. Bernie is a phony, self-aggrandizing, opportunistic asshole who could never have won! Is irrelevant for the same reason as above: it just doesn't matter. True or not, it just brings up hurt feelings and serves to divide.
If we really, really want to get into the Hillary/Bernie woods, then we should be looking at what they did right and try and repeat it. That would not only help us win elections, it would make us better people.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)and where the Republican won by 33 points at the last election, narrowing the gap to 3 points is a victory. Ossoff outperformed every Democrat who's run in that district for 30 years. Georgia's 6th district is rated as one of the ten most Republican congressional districts in the country. Looking at that result, a Democratic wave is likely for 2018.