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PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 05:38 PM Jun 2017

College defends firing professor after Fox News appearance

NEWARK -- Weeks after an adjunct professor was suspended in the wake of a raucous appearance on a Fox News television show, the college's president is speaking out about the school's decision to fire her.

In a statement released Friday night, newly appointed Essex County College President Anthony Munroe said the school received complaints about adjunct communications professor Lisa Durden after her June 6 appearance on "Tucker Carlson Tonight."

"The college was immediately inundated with feedback from students, faculty and prospective students and their families expressing frustration, concern and even fear that the views expressed by a college employee (with influence over students) would negatively impact their experience on the campus," Munroe said in the statement.

"I fully believe that institutions of higher learning must provide a safe space for students... The character of this institution mandates that we embrace diversity, inclusion, and unity. Racism cannot be fought with more racism."

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College defends firing professor after Fox News appearance (Original Post) PoliticAverse Jun 2017 OP
According to the article, she was fired for this comment: tblue37 Jun 2017 #1
Substitute "White" for "Black". marybourg Jun 2017 #2
Or maybe not world wide wally Jun 2017 #4
+1. It is very different when one group has been treated like dirt by a significant portion of Hoyt Jun 2017 #11
+ a brazillion. nt tblue37 Jun 2017 #13
Nope, you can't substitute the discriminated against group for the privileged one. It's not the same stevenleser Jun 2017 #23
Yup, uphill and downhill are two very different things. Iggo Jun 2017 #43
Is it not at the very least, provocative ? OnDoutside Jun 2017 #26
I'll bet that the vast majority (even all) of that "feedback from ... prospective students petronius Jun 2017 #3
Academic Freedom is the important value Robt. Jun 2017 #5
Welcome to DU. n/t rzemanfl Jun 2017 #7
What a total load. pintobean Jun 2017 #16
Wearing pampers? fleabiscuit Jun 2017 #18
Welcome to DU, Robt. Have to agree as a STARTING point, Hortensis Jun 2017 #35
Her comments were not appropriate and showed a dislike of some of her students...to say the least Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #36
Oh and student learning is way way more important. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #37
Our fundie neighbors certainly agree. They worry Hortensis Jun 2017 #39
No, I said learning...not corrupting influences..why would the professor go on Fox news Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #40
She went on Fox News and fed red meat to their audience. rzemanfl Jun 2017 #6
That is a very good question. janx Jun 2017 #8
Follow the money? n/t rzemanfl Jun 2017 #10
It's possible. n/t janx Jun 2017 #14
What money? nt stevenleser Jun 2017 #25
It's possible it was a paid appearance. The question mark is there for a reason. n/t rzemanfl Jun 2017 #27
I hadn't thought of it that way Nevernose Jun 2017 #17
I have advanced degrees in both. janx Jun 2017 #20
A smart young black woman, I'd bet FOX and Nuts may not be the worse she's encountered. nt fleabiscuit Jun 2017 #19
Why would she go on Fox and reinforce a stereotype? n/t rzemanfl Jun 2017 #21
What kind of a freaking stereotype are you talking about? nt fleabiscuit Jun 2017 #22
The stereotype Fox News viewers hold. Sorry about the missing "e." n/t rzemanfl Jun 2017 #29
That's really not an answer, but OK. nt fleabiscuit Jun 2017 #30
I thought "racist" was a given with Faux. So, correction-"racist stereotype." K? n/t rzemanfl Jun 2017 #31
She thought academic freedom would protect her. Failing that, since she worked for a public stevenleser Jun 2017 #24
Probably not. fleabiscuit Jun 2017 #32
An appearance on a TV show which will be used to hurt the BLM movement in fact has nothing to do Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #41
It was obvious Tucker invited her on so she could dig her own grave LittleBlue Jun 2017 #9
I believe you forgot the "sarcasm" smiley. nt fleabiscuit Jun 2017 #28
They should have fired her for going on malaise Jun 2017 #12
They probably did. n/t janx Jun 2017 #15
Malaise, really? This was a chance to talk to that audience. Hortensis Jun 2017 #38
That was a chance to reinforce what they already believe for that audience...that People of Color Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #42
No, not talking about what this one said, about whether Hortensis Jun 2017 #45
That racist deserved to be fired NobodyHere Jun 2017 #33
Another way the media controls the narrative. jalan48 Jun 2017 #34
"...prospective students and their families..." Iggo Jun 2017 #44
Here's The Good News ConnorMarc Jun 2017 #46

tblue37

(65,409 posts)
1. According to the article, she was fired for this comment:
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 05:50 PM
Jun 2017

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The controversy began after Durden's appearance, during which she defended the Black Lives Matter movement's decision to host a Memorial Day celebration in New York City to which only black people were invited. On the show, Durden's comments included, "You white people are angry because you couldn't use your white privilege card to get invited to the Black Lives Matter's all-black Memorial Day Celebration," and "We want to celebrate today. We don't want anybody going against us today."
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I don't see what is wrong with that remark.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
11. +1. It is very different when one group has been treated like dirt by a significant portion of
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 07:24 PM
Jun 2017

another group.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
23. Nope, you can't substitute the discriminated against group for the privileged one. It's not the same
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 01:09 AM
Jun 2017

This isn't complicated.

petronius

(26,602 posts)
3. I'll bet that the vast majority (even all) of that "feedback from ... prospective students
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 06:07 PM
Jun 2017

and their families" was complete bullshit - RW trolls organized at some website or other claiming a connection to the college.

As for her comments, while I don't think she was a particularly effective communicator in that interview, they are a ridiculous thing to even complain about, let alone for the college to take action. Seems like another example of a chickenshit administration mistreating one of the most vulnerable segments of the academic community (adjunct lecturers)...

Robt.

(1 post)
5. Academic Freedom is the important value
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 06:11 PM
Jun 2017

More than student learning. academic freedom is a more important starting point.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
35. Welcome to DU, Robt. Have to agree as a STARTING point,
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 09:00 AM
Jun 2017

academic freedom is a critical principle. Can't have wannabe-fascist Gov. Scott Walker and the Republican-controlled legislature instructing schools to teach students that their duty is to grow up to serve industry.

Demsrule86

(68,599 posts)
36. Her comments were not appropriate and showed a dislike of some of her students...to say the least
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 09:04 AM
Jun 2017

she deserved to be fired...free speech means the government will not take you out in the dead of night for something you said and throw you in prison...doesn't mean speech can't have consequences.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
39. Our fundie neighbors certainly agree. They worry
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 10:10 AM
Jun 2017

a great deal about corrupting influences in school and school books. Not just in science. They're every bit as concerned about what's being taught social studies, literature, etc. When some head off to college to get that passport to the middle class, they've already had years of instruction on looking for signs that Satan is operating through their instructors.

(Frustrated friends and acquaintances who are charged with teaching them describe watching minds slam tight shut first time they inadvertently let slip their demonic influences.)

Demsrule86

(68,599 posts)
40. No, I said learning...not corrupting influences..why would the professor go on Fox news
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 11:32 AM
Jun 2017

to say that crap which I don't agree with. In order to stop the assault on POC, we need all hands on deck...this is not just a 'Black' issue...it is a civil rights issue...and everyone must pitch in. She was intentionally divisive...probably trying to get a spot on fox...I fail to see what she wanted to accomplish:certainly didn't help the movement... I am all for academic freedom in the classroom. I would like to see rigorous academics in all colleges...however...apples and oranges.

rzemanfl

(29,565 posts)
6. She went on Fox News and fed red meat to their audience.
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 06:18 PM
Jun 2017

A communications professor had to have known the reception her comments would receive from those people. Why did she do it?

janx

(24,128 posts)
8. That is a very good question.
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 06:44 PM
Jun 2017

RW media do this all the time, knowing that it will stir the base and boost ratings. Audience is primary to all forms of communications study and practice. She either knew the kerfluffle was coming or should have seen it coming.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
17. I hadn't thought of it that way
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 08:45 PM
Jun 2017

If she'd been, say, a professor of English it might have had a different connotation. But a communications professor? There's room for cynicism in that. You've got a good eye for that stuff!

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
24. She thought academic freedom would protect her. Failing that, since she worked for a public
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 01:11 AM
Jun 2017

institution, freedom of speech should also have protected her.

She should have been right on both counts. She has a lawyer and is contemplating a law suit. I think she has a good chance at a big settlement.

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
32. Probably not.
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 11:03 AM
Jun 2017

Adjunct professors are usually lower than dirt on the scale of work rights with little protections or voice. She demonstrated a lot of moxie, she'll probably recover just fine.

Demsrule86

(68,599 posts)
41. An appearance on a TV show which will be used to hurt the BLM movement in fact has nothing to do
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 11:34 AM
Jun 2017

with academic freedom...hell I would fire her for appearing on Fox (kidding maybe).

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
9. It was obvious Tucker invited her on so she could dig her own grave
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 06:47 PM
Jun 2017

She dug enthusiastically. No sympathy, a racist like her shouldn't be teaching anyone.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
38. Malaise, really? This was a chance to talk to that audience.
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 09:09 AM
Jun 2017

I didn't watch her so don't know how she used it (seemingly not well), but my goodness--fire for talking to Fox's audience? This is not a fascist state yet, and teachers are supposed to teach, not fall in line.

The big story I'm seeing is that energizing of the far left (usual response to bad times) has lead to their suppression of free speech on campuses across the nation. Conservative voices are under constant and often severe attack. This is a huge problem when the conservative voices are the kind today's Republican voters badly need to hear more from.

Our roof in Florida is leaking.

Demsrule86

(68,599 posts)
42. That was a chance to reinforce what they already believe for that audience...that People of Color
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 11:36 AM
Jun 2017

are the real racists not them and that these white Trump voters are right in their bigotry....why would she do that?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
45. No, not talking about what this one said, about whether
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 11:43 AM
Jun 2017

professors should be fired for appearing on Fox.

Not that I think Malaise was really serious, just blowing with the storm. After reading a number of posts that could have been on Conservative Cage with the change of a word or two, I just started blowing myself without initially noticing whose name was on the post.

But we have to be better than this. We know today's cons can't. There is no one but us to save what is good about America.

jalan48

(13,871 posts)
34. Another way the media controls the narrative.
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 11:09 AM
Jun 2017

Instead of creating a debate about the issues of BLM this issue (black only event) was considered too extreme to be debated. Why? Agree or disagree, let's have the discussion first.

 

ConnorMarc

(653 posts)
46. Here's The Good News
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 11:35 PM
Jun 2017

This raised her profile.

I certainly didn't know about her, and I watched SOME shows on FOXNEWS. Haven't watched the network in over three months though.

But anyway, I hear she's getting offers from all over, including new teaching gigs and speaking gigs on TV.

I hope to see and hear her voice more in the MSM.

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