... supported other GOP candidates in the primaries. In the end, almost all of them voted for Trump in the general election according to a survey of his voters.

https://www.voterstudygroup.org/reports/2016-elections/the-five-types-trump-voters

They piss and moan that they were deceived by a con man, but at the end of the day they still voted for that idiot, and if the election were held again tomorrow then they would vote for him again tomorrow.

Despite their wailing and gnashing of teeth, the vast majority of these racist simpletons will still find a way to vote Republican somehow in 2018.

... were labeled "Free Marketeers" aren't that way, but they still voted Trump in the end.

Them and the "Staunch Republicans" were among the five groups who were least likely to ever seek compromise with Democrats. It was the more racist voters (mostly directed at Latinos), labeled "American Preservationists" in that study, more poor and less educated, who most wanted compromise with Democrats in Washington. They also, as a group, wanted higher taxes on the wealthy and they didn't want cuts to social programs. They were the voters who gave Trump momentum in the primaries while the other groups of voters tended to support one of the many other GOP candidates. Having such a large number of candidates is probably why Trump won the GOP nomination.

They voted for the racist and his racist agenda, so that supersedes their own protestations of racial harmony.


It would be like Fred claiming to support women's reproductive freedom and then voting for someone who wants destroy those freedoms. At the end of the day, Fred's action speaks much louder than his his words, so that he acts to oppose women's reproductive freedom regardless of his claims.

... despite how I strongly disliked them in some ways. There were just other factors in my decision that were more important, so I held my nose and gave them my vote.

It won't surprise me at all if Trump's more deplorable voters support Democrats in the future. It was his voters most focused on "free markets" with cuts to social programs and lower taxes on the wealthy who showed the greatest animosity toward Democrats. That's one reason why trying to appeal to Republicans on those issues, in a neoliberal way, seems pointless to me. It's not like those people will ever support Democrats anyway. (Democrats should never try to appeal to the racist voters either, of course! I just think those people will see the light eventually, voting for Democrats after they realize that the more wealthy Republicans aren't going to help them.)

I don't care if each one of them personally cures cancer and rescues twelve kittens from a storm drain.

They stood up to be counted with their idiot racist fuckhead peers, and that's how I will count them.


My sample size is admittedly small, but of the few dozen Trump voters with whom I'm interacted, exactly zero have any intention of changing their vote or acknowledging how badly they've fucked themselves and the country. Until I see it in writing, I do not believe that Trump voters en mass will see the light and pull the Blue lever next time.

... are the ones most likely to vote for Democrats in the future. They're the same group who wanted compromise with Democrats in Washington, after all.

I think many of them are idiots who got suckered and frightened by FOX News -- e.g., seeing BLM being portrayed in the worst way possible, immigrants portrayed badly, etc.

It's the "smarter" Republicans who are their puppet masters. As for those voters, I've long believed that they could support Hitler as long as he promised to rid the country of liberals. Hitler and the Nazis opposed liberals, socialists and communists in Germany, and they indeed received support from wealthy investors back then. Those kinds of Republicans place far more value on money than democracy. Some of them even hate democratic principles if they think it might endanger their ability to acquire more wealth and power. Those folks didn't speak out against the Soviet Union in the past so much because it was totalitarian, but because it was communist!

Until the suckered idiots say "yes, I was fooled, and I won't be fooled again," then there is no basis for believing that they'll get their heads out of their idiot asses and vote like they have a functioning brain stem.

I completely agree with you that they'd likely (and happily) have voted for Hitler. Trump is actively campaigning to hurt his voters, and they worship him all the more fervently for it.

... Yahoo message boards who write that they're angry about the GOP healthcare bill and how they're supporting Democrats on that issue. It wouldn't surprise me at all if those were some of Trump's deplorable voters who put race and cultural issues ahead of their economic self interest.

None of them explicitly admitted that they made a mistake, though. Lots of people don't like to ever admit they screwed up.

.... oh, these people MIGHT pay lip service to how they won't vote R again.

And then in the next election, let's say it's between Liz Warren and Trump, the right-wing noise machine will throw every lie they can at Warren and paint doom and gloom pictures of how she'll ruin the country, trash the economy, will be weak on defense, etc. They'll come up with an allegation of dishonesty (ala email servers) - such as the tired disproven canard that Warren "lied about having Native American heritage on her college application."

And they will be treated to endless breathless little tirades about how "WELL! WARREN LIED ON HER COLLEGE APPLICATION AND SAID SHE HAD NATIVE AMERICAN HERITAGE WHEN SHE DIDN'T AND SO HOW CAN WE EVER TRUST HER BECAUSE SHE LIED AND THAT PROVES SHE'S UP TO NO GOOD AND DID YOU KNOW HOW SHE LIED ON THAT APPLICATION AND THE MSM ISN'T TELLING YOU HOW SHE LIED AND..."

And these predictable little turds will tell you: "We just CAN'T possibly vote for Warren since she's so corrupt and dishonest!"

And despite how badly they've been shafted by the Trump team and the Republicans they will RACE out to those voting booths to frantically pull the lever for anyone with an R after their name.

I guarantee it. Guaranteed.

Many of them have proven themselves to be fools over right-wing fear-mongering, so it wouldn't surprise me if they get fooled again.

I still think SOME of them might break out of it, and we don't need to do anything to appeal to them except maybe point out the lies.

As for a broad strategy, I'd prefer that Democrats pursue poor non-voters. Many of them will probably never vote, unfortunately, but I think it's worth the effort. Surveys of Americans that include both voters and non-voters are much more strongly aligned with Democrats.

They will claim that they're having second thoughts about voting Republican, but they'll then use any weak pretense to justify their Red vote when the time comes.

It's a lot like those rare precious unicorns known as "Independents" who somehow consistently manage vote Republican. These mythical voters are the darlings of the media, since they foster the whole horse race illusion. The current crop of "will they/won't they" are the same way, suddenly enjoying their falsely inflated importance before predictably voting exactly as they've always voted.

The hope is that we'll all line up to kiss their asses until, after much alleged soul-searching and reflection, they act in the exact lockstep manner that any realistic person would have predicted from the outset.

Their owners tell them how to vote, and they vote as they are told. Any hope to the contrary is a delusion.

all do the same little hand wringing play but in the end always vote with party and then complain about it. They are useless and totally untrustworthy. Don't know about heller, but repugs have turned on him. Tax cuts for the rich above everything is their moto.

Call your Senators!!!!
Call!!!
Call!!!

Most Americans are unaware that the bill GUTS Medicaid and shortens the life of Medicare by about 10 years.

I think it's a push if it passes or not.

The CBO score is going to be toxic. Nothing focuses a senator's mind like his own electoral prospects.

Republican's into thinking that their "no" votes are not necessary to kill the bill. The 4 right wing "no" votes will suddenly change at the last minute. HELLER's "no" vote is the only legitimate "no" vote at this time. That leaves us two "no" votes short.

Tumpcare...but if you don't call and simple give up then we lose...did the GOP ever give up? NO, and they got it all in eight years after being in a worse position than we are now in 2008.

Maybe Susan Collins - she is occasionally somewhat reasonable.

And to be courted and deemed important for a week. It ups their face and name recognition.

Republicans will be hard pressed to answer the angry mob.

Also the talk about Party cooperation is bs. This is the time to define the message not play nice. Republicans will not cooperate on anything, bipartisanship is a rare and endangered animal.

They claim to have "problems" with the bill but once it is "fixed", then they can vote for it. They want their voters to believe that all the problems have been "fixed" and that it is now a "good bill". Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell are conspiring assholes.

Crus especially.

... I think passage could mean big gains for Democrats in 2018.

Yeah sure.

I think Heller might be real but have never heard of him before this and tend to not trust anyone in GOP. I would like to think that Collins and maybe one more will have actually have some sense.

The people need to understand that the people who are getting tax cuts are those who pay the members of the House and Senate more than we do.

The people need to understand that the GOP will work to destroy anything with Obama's name and they do not care who suffers from it.

... largely support dictatorial measures if it meant more influence for them, money-wise.

There's an undercurrent of fascism among them. More people need to realize that.

Historical examples support the idea -- e.g., support for the Nazis by many capitalists, their main complaint against the Soviet Union was that it was communist (with less attention paid to it being anti-democratic), their greater friendliness to Russia now that it's not communist (but still anti-democratic), and so on.

by Beto O'Rourke. Right now they're polling even.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/texlege/2017/04/19/orourke-castro-running-even-cruz-poll-shows/100674184/

and then turn right around get air time to get mealy mouth softball questions, just like the guy from Louisiana, Cassidy


Just listen to how he and his f***ing party want people to "float up"

He's a fake hold-out.

I agree with you it's probably staged.

That is what republicans do.

I know we are called on to be civil about these things, to discuss differences, and come together. But when people vote for a bill like this, they put themselves on the side of true evil. You can't dance with the devil and call it a game.

But we all know they don't really care about anything but their own bottom line; they would shoot their elderly neighbor if ordered to do so by their GOP masters. They know that if they don't vote the way they're told to, they're out in the next election.

So, they will probably appease the 5 RWNJs and then they can afford to lose Collins vote, unless at least two others come out against it on the more moderate side.

...and DT hasn't done the heavy arm twisting yet.

Maybe, I'm afraid to get my hopes up.

He seems like he might be vulnerable.