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WTF- Per CBO, 4 million people would lose *employer-provided* coverage next year under BCRA. (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2017 OP
A lot of small companies will drop coverage when the big premium increases come through. roamer65 Jun 2017 #1
I predicted this... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2017 #2
I'll refuse to pay them Dem2 Jun 2017 #11
K&R... spanone Jun 2017 #3
And if you work for a big company, expect a big premium increase marylandblue Jun 2017 #4
All the new health care facilities that have popped up due to Obamacare Johonny Jun 2017 #5
Because it eliminates the penalty for employers of a certain size who dont provide insurance muriel_volestrangler Jun 2017 #6
Thank you for the link. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2017 #7
This number seems really low. Wellstone ruled Jun 2017 #9
The figure may be new, yet this has been said for a long time now. sheshe2 Jun 2017 #8
BCRA Employer provided coverage can now be less comprehensive and include yearly/lifetime caps Freethinker65 Jun 2017 #10
Recession, crime rate increases, violence against politicians, etc are Ilsa Jun 2017 #12
Ageism will run wild if this shit is passed. stopbush Jun 2017 #13
I work in benefits Freddie Jun 2017 #15
The employer doesn't, but the insurance company charges the employer more for older employees MiniMe Jun 2017 #17
They don't charge the employer more (now) Freddie Jun 2017 #18
The job I had was a small company - 7 employees. stopbush Jun 2017 #21
I own a small business and I provide insurance for my employees Mr. Ected Jun 2017 #14
Give them what they voted for. BannonsLiver Jun 2017 #16
Invite them all to the Banquet of Consequences . . . hatrack Jun 2017 #19
drop it obamanut2012 Jun 2017 #20

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
2. I predicted this...
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 05:42 PM
Jun 2017

I said as soon as they start messing with the individual issue market it would bleed into the group market.

Johonny

(20,851 posts)
5. All the new health care facilities that have popped up due to Obamacare
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 05:50 PM
Jun 2017

will start laying off, then the health sector slumps, and the recession soon follows.

They're about to take a huge amount of money out of the current economy. You lose your job, then your coverage, then you get a new job, but fall into the 63day hole and thus lose coverage got 6 months and have to pay possibly a 30% premium to get it back, meaning you get hurt again in the pocket book. How would anyone not think this is going to hurt the current economy?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
6. Because it eliminates the penalty for employers of a certain size who dont provide insurance
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 05:52 PM
Jun 2017

"Because the B.C.R.A. eliminates the penalty for employers of a certain size who don’t provide insurance to workers, the C.B.O. predicts that 4 million people would lose employer-sponsored coverage by 2018."

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/06/cbo-score-senate-health-care-bill

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
7. Thank you for the link.
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 05:55 PM
Jun 2017

Maybe we can kill this bill. Nothing focuses a politician's attention like his or her electoral prospects

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
9. This number seems really low.
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 06:20 PM
Jun 2017

My understanding is,there are more than 12 million workers in this group. Here is another thing that likely will happen. Companies on the Numbers edge will create Subsidiarity companies reassign workers to these units and kill the Insurance.

Seen this happen in Union Covered Workers.

sheshe2

(83,789 posts)
8. The figure may be new, yet this has been said for a long time now.
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 06:14 PM
Jun 2017

We lose O'Care the rest goes...Medicaid, Medicare, employer base insurance, some will be dropped, premiums are going to rise. Health Care for all Americans are going to be taking a huge hit.

Freethinker65

(10,023 posts)
10. BCRA Employer provided coverage can now be less comprehensive and include yearly/lifetime caps
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 06:22 PM
Jun 2017

So while employers still may offer coverage, many will opt to save money with lesser plans.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
12. Recession, crime rate increases, violence against politicians, etc are
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 06:29 PM
Jun 2017

predictable outcomes of this action.

MF republican kochroaches.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
13. Ageism will run wild if this shit is passed.
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 06:44 PM
Jun 2017

Premiums will rise FIVE FOLD for workers 50-65 on individual plans. That will also effect company plans - my insurance at age 61 cost my employer $1300 a month. It cost them $400 a month for 30-year-old employees. Imagine if that employer was suddenly looking at a monthly premium of $6500 a month to insure a 61-year-old.

That puts pressure on companies to fire older employees and replace them with younger workers. But since firing older works for being older is a lawsuit waiting to happen, the solution will be to just drop insurance coverage for everyone at a company.

Freddie

(9,267 posts)
15. I work in benefits
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 06:57 PM
Jun 2017

I have never seen large employer group plans charge different rates for age. Doesn't mean they can't start.

MiniMe

(21,717 posts)
17. The employer doesn't, but the insurance company charges the employer more for older employees
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 08:02 PM
Jun 2017

Since the CEO's and the VP's are usually older, the employer doesn't charge more. But that could change, depending on the new premiums.

Freddie

(9,267 posts)
18. They don't charge the employer more (now)
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 08:59 PM
Jun 2017

The employer may pay different rates depending on the plan chosen and the type of coverage (single, family etc.) but not on the age or gender of the individual, in large group plans. My employer is self-insured so they base the group rate on the previous year's claims, which spreads the risk like insurance is supposed to do. Who knows what will happen now.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
14. I own a small business and I provide insurance for my employees
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 06:47 PM
Jun 2017

Every single one of them is a Trump voter.

So....when the premiums jack up next year...do I act the good liberal and pay it and continue to help my employees and their families?

Or do I drop it with the knowledge that each one of those employees was personally responsible for losing their insurance with their vote and their continued alliance with Trump and the Republicans?

Moral compass time.

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