Seems like an important distinction if the protestors were members of the LGBTQ communities as opposed to non-members.

BLM has actually focused a lot of its mission on incorporating the voices of queer and trans persons of color.

march) then those who aren't members of that community should probably just butt out,

...are LGBTQ persons?

You know this?

We can never know such a thing with certainty with other LGBTQ advocacy groups either. But I can tell you with certainty that BLM truly does care about elevating the voices of group members and I have know doubt that they made every effort to ensure that their own activists were working for a cause they themselves are impact by.

The Gay Pride parades of for LGBTQ persons and their allies. If you don't like it, attend some other parade.

IF NOT, NO IT ISN'T. They can throw their own damned parade... and then watch someone piss on their day, you know, just like they've been doing to the Pride parades.

Getting DU to acknowledge that people of color in the group may have feelings different from theirs is like pulling teeth.

It's 2017 on a Democratic Forum and intersectionality is like a foreign concept. You can be black and gay and have an issue w/ police marching in a pride parade for both of those reasons.

People really need to work harder to check their own assumptions and privileges. I know I shouldn't expect the left to be perfect, but we are not living up to our ideals.

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For instance in Chicago this went down and the parade here has had protests in other years
Nothing new
https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20170626/boystown/pride-parade-protest-shuts-down-trans-liberation-collective-lgbtq

I'd have to look up response to incidents in the past.

I wouldn't want the Log Cabin Republicans marching given their complicity and silence to many abuses by the Republican party in the past and the present.

I wouldn't want Milo, Lucian Wintrich, or Chardwick Moore marching because of their transphobia . https://mic.com/articles/175607/lucian-wintrich-chadwick-moore-mock-transgender-women-at-gay-republican-event#.sRECzxOSn

So it would have to depend on G.O.A.L and it's actions over the years. If they stood by and were silent as an organization over certain incidents, then no I don't think should be allowed to march in uniform. A cursory goggle search for their responses, comes up blank.

in our marches since the 80's out of the March?

then yes.

Before you throw out a group of people who by the way are increasing people of color you should hear them out.

Clearly, you know more about their responses to these issues than anyone else.

the fire department gay Marchers at pride.

Things I wonder....

"That was different" or "This is different" rather than coming to terms with the problem.

My complaint is they wanted GOAL removed from the March.

GOAL has been marching since the 80's.

I know they have been fighting the good fight on LGBT issues since the 80's. But you should ask them.

The two are not the same.

That combined with the fact that there is no real evidence I can find of any work they've done against police brutality against persons of color leads me to believe they aren't doing their due diligence.

GOAL has a fairly narrow mission statement that does not make mention of systematic police brutality or policing bias against persons of color. As members of the pride community and police officers, it is their responsibility to ensure that their activism in police department addresses the concerns of pride community members who are regular targets of police brutality.

Activism isn't always about playing nice with groups indifferent to your plight.

and I've already said my piece about this issue and what BLM did in Toronto a year prior. I think it's useless in-fighting that entertains the right-wing. It's not about conversations or white vs everybody else, it is what it is.