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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
2. Trump is trying to make political hay out of CNN firing reporters for filing a false story.
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 09:00 AM
Jun 2017

That's to CNN's credit. If Trump and his administration followed CNN's lead they would fire themselves.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
5. There is a difference in making an incorrect statement and lying. The latter requires intent.
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 09:07 AM
Jun 2017

Even with that caveat Trump and his cronies do plenty of lying.

Javaman

(62,531 posts)
9. I don't think a lie nessassarily needs either of those...
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 09:18 AM
Jun 2017

there are people, such as tRump, that are habitual liars.

That's all they know.

I dated a woman years ago that was a pathological liar. She had a hard time separating reality from her very weir brand of fiction.

So no, i don't think intent or consciousness is required to lie.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
12. The "untruth" test
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 11:17 AM
Jun 2017

When caught out, someone who has told an "untruth" says, "Oh, I had bad information. I retract my untruthful statement." When they are caught and instead of correcting or retracting, they push all in, then it's a lie.

 

LesterKasai

(132 posts)
15. All lies are untruths, but not all untruths are lies.
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 08:36 PM
Jun 2017

A lie includes an intent to deceive.

If I mistakenly say that I weigh 180 pounds, it is an untruth because I weigh 200 pounds. But it is not a lie since it was merely a mistake on my part, and I had no intent to deceive.

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