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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPaul Ryan: 22 million Americans wont be "pushed off" insurance - they will "choose" not to buy it
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/paul-ryan-22-million-ameircans-wont-be-pushed-off-insurance-they-will-choose-not-to-buy-it/
During an interview that aired on Tuesday, Fox News host Brian Kilmeade asked Ryan to respond to a recent Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report that said there would be 22 million more people without health insurance by 2026 if the Senates version of the health care bill is signed into law.
What they are basically saying at the Congressional Budget Office, if youre not going to force people to buy Obamacare, if youre not going to force people to buy something they dont want, then they wont buy it, the Speaker opined. So, its not that people are getting pushed off a plan, its that people will choose not to buy something that they dont like or want.
And thats the difference here, he added. By repealing the individual and employer mandate, which mandates people buy this health insurance that they cant afford, that they dont like if you dont mandate that theyre going to do this then that many people wont do it.
Ryan, however, failed to mention that subsidies for poorer Americans would be significantly decreased, making insurance plans less affordable. Insurance companies would be allowed to reduce coverage and to force patients to pay more out of pocket, meaning plans would provide less value to the consumer.
rufus dog
(8,419 posts)I make a lot of other choices almost everyday:
1. I choose not to buy a mansion on the beach
2. I choose not to take off this afternoon to Hawaii
3. I choose not to play a round of golf at Pebble Beach.
..........
kimbutgar
(21,163 posts)C_U_L8R
(45,003 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)This is insane!
SHRED
(28,136 posts)LOL
spiderpig
(10,419 posts)HYPOCRITE. Intentional caps.
ecstatic
(32,712 posts)FFS what an asshole.
procon
(15,805 posts)Ryan thinking that anyone actually believes his bullshit lies. On the other hand, I guess, technically speaking, Ryan is right insofar as this comes down to a choice to either buy health insurance or feed your family. Its kind of a Sophies Choice, and Republicans who think like Ryan, it's the peasants who chose not to be rich like him.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)....access to insurance is NOT access to affordable insurance. We all have access to Lamborghinis
sinkingfeeling
(51,460 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,414 posts)health care is something more important than buying something frivolous. Is he so out of touch that he CANNOT make that distinction (rhetorical)?
SDJay
(1,089 posts)First, his family money came from government highway contracts. Secondly, despite his family's wealth from those government contracts he still cashed in SS death benefits when his father died at 55. He used them to pay for college. Third, he was always seen by the folks I know as that 'rich kid who thought he was smart but really wasn't' type. He always had the nicest clothes and trapper keepers, and he always handed in reports with pretty graphs and the like that got A's, but to actually talk to him he's a shithead who woke up on third base and thought he hit a triple.
Basically, fuck him.
chowder66
(9,073 posts)loyalsister
(13,390 posts)I can picture a guy wearing Jordache, a polo, a swatch, and checkered Vans in an attempt to throw in some casual coolness. There was at least one in every HS in the 80s.
YCHDT
(962 posts)blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)They need things like food and shelter first after all the things are paid not enough left for healthcare
Buckeyeblue
(5,499 posts)What do we do when the people who choose to not buy health insurance have a medical emergency and end up at the hospital. What's the going rate today for heart attack/emergency bypass surgery? Who picks up the cost?
One of the big arguments about the individual mandate is that if everyone is covered, there are less unpaid bills, so the cost of healthcare can go down. Same argument retailers make about shop lifting and the price of goods.
So of course people aren't going to buy insurance. Then we go right back where we were.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act provided a mandate for socialized medicine.
"The law was often mentioned during the Obamacare debate, as both sides noted that Americans are already paying for poor peoples medical care, either directly or indirectly through this law. But one wonders if the conservatives today would support Reagans health mandate, considering that it imposes restrictions on hospitals, shifts costs to the private sector and individual insurance holders, and explicitly mandated the treatment of undocumented immigrants."
http://www.salon.com/2012/07/05/reagans_healthcare_mandate/
Buckeyeblue
(5,499 posts)In order to achieve their objective. We should just tell everyone that is what the new bill does. Why hold ourselves to facts at this point.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)When people could die as they are rejected from ERs, maternal and infant deaths result from lack of hospital access, and of course women dying from botched abortions.
Buckeyeblue
(5,499 posts)WoonTars
(694 posts)...but i 'choose' not to buy one, yes?
What a mendacious asshole he is...
Hekate
(90,714 posts)Is that close enough?
What you said.
bdamomma
(63,875 posts)Vinca
(50,278 posts)Not because I don't want it. BECAUSE I CAN'T AFFORD IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
chowder66
(9,073 posts)Solly Mack
(90,773 posts)Hekate
(90,714 posts)...Paul Ryan has a face in need of a fist.
What a loathesome excuse for a man he is.
onecaliberal
(32,864 posts)marybourg
(12,633 posts)as their fall-back insurance, thus passing on their expenses to those of us who do pay for insurance. Great choices! Publicans are in favor of "choices", no matter how anti-social, for everyone except pregnant women and women of child-bearing age.
hamsterjill
(15,222 posts)That's the new Republican strategic talking point. Putting a positive spin on death.
Having access doesn't mean having a reasonable ability to afford. Heartless assholes.
Lyricalinklines
(367 posts)...will be able to use tax payer money to get ahead of him.
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)Immediately. We have a brief window.
I'd like to punch Paul Ryan in the face. Trump is such a laughing stock I don't really feel that way about him but Ryan is like the typical Republican who earns it. In fact, that would be my defense alone. How can you look or listen to this guy, judge, without understanding that he deserves a fist to the mouth? Dismissed.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)onethatcares
(16,172 posts)they don't want to pay for their hospital or doctors visit, they will just prance on down the road worry free.
(do I have to put the thingie here?)
Buy stock in medical debt collection folks, there's gonna be a lot of that.
Matthew28
(1,798 posts)That wishes for America to head back to the 18th century in everyway. They're the greatest threat we face as a nation!
They hate any kind of regulation, help for the poor, old or sick. Truly disgusting sub-human bastards.