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Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 10:19 AM Jun 2017

Paul Ryan: 22 million Americans wont be "pushed off" insurance - they will "choose" not to buy it



http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/paul-ryan-22-million-ameircans-wont-be-pushed-off-insurance-they-will-choose-not-to-buy-it/

During an interview that aired on Tuesday, Fox News host Brian Kilmeade asked Ryan to respond to a recent Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report that said there would be 22 million more people without health insurance by 2026 if the Senate’s version of the health care bill is signed into law.

“What they are basically saying at the Congressional Budget Office, if you’re not going to force people to buy Obamacare, if you’re not going to force people to buy something they don’t want, then they won’t buy it,” the Speaker opined. “So, it’s not that people are getting pushed off a plan, it’s that people will choose not to buy something that they don’t like or want.”

“And that’s the difference here,” he added. “By repealing the individual and employer mandate, which mandates people buy this health insurance that they can’t afford, that they don’t like — if you don’t mandate that they’re going to do this then that many people won’t do it.”

Ryan, however, failed to mention that subsidies for poorer Americans would be significantly decreased, making insurance plans less affordable. Insurance companies would be allowed to reduce coverage and to force patients to pay more out of pocket, meaning plans would provide less value to the consumer.
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Paul Ryan: 22 million Americans wont be "pushed off" insurance - they will "choose" not to buy it (Original Post) Miles Archer Jun 2017 OP
I choose not to buy a Ferrari rufus dog Jun 2017 #1
That picture of him makes me want to punch it and smack that smug look off his repulsive face kimbutgar Jun 2017 #2
What a sick bastard C_U_L8R Jun 2017 #3
I choose not to buy car insurance but without it I can't buy tags. redstatebluegirl Jun 2017 #4
I "choose" to not buy a Tesla SHRED Jun 2017 #5
Ugh. And he's what we'd end up with if we impeached Orange and What's-His-Face spiderpig Jun 2017 #6
He's so heartless & cruel. nt ecstatic Jun 2017 #7
+1 treestar Jun 2017 #9
I don't know which is worse, Ryan lying with a straight face, or procon Jun 2017 #8
conservatives beleive their own bullshit lies beachbum bob Jun 2017 #11
Hope they remember it's the GOP that made insurance unaffordable for them. sinkingfeeling Jun 2017 #10
But Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2017 #12
I Know Folks Who Grew Up With Him SDJay Jun 2017 #13
Thanks. It's exactly how I envisioned him. nt chowder66 Jun 2017 #17
Trapper keepers!!! loyalsister Jun 2017 #21
There it is then... YCHDT Jun 2017 #29
They will choose not to buy it because they can't afford it blueinredohio Jun 2017 #14
Did they ask Ryan Buckeyeblue Jun 2017 #15
Unless they want to try to repeal a Reagan era policy loyalsister Jun 2017 #22
It almost seems like they have to Buckeyeblue Jun 2017 #31
The good old days loyalsister Jun 2017 #32
Let the good times roll Buckeyeblue Jun 2017 #35
Just like i have 'access' to an Aston Martin.... WoonTars Jun 2017 #16
My niece says she was almost run off the road by a Maserati during her Boston commute... Hekate Jun 2017 #25
what a snake he is bdamomma Jun 2017 #18
Hmmm . . . I choose not to buy the $6 million cottage in Maine I was ogling. Vinca Jun 2017 #19
Oh shut it Paul "Dreaming to kill people" Ryan. nt chowder66 Jun 2017 #20
Callous, cruel fuck. Solly Mack Jun 2017 #23
Chaz Pierce calls him "the zomby-eyed granny starver." In my opinion... Hekate Jun 2017 #24
Evil piece of maggot scum onecaliberal Jun 2017 #26
They "choose" instead to use the ER marybourg Jun 2017 #27
Those 22 million will have "access". hamsterjill Jun 2017 #28
He must hate himself to be so cruel. Or jealous that others... Lyricalinklines Jun 2017 #30
There should be an ad campaign to pounce on statements like this Awsi Dooger Jun 2017 #33
"Access" has to be the new slang term for "money." "I'd like to go, man, but I ain't got no access." WinkyDink Jun 2017 #34
and when those 22 million people decide onethatcares Jun 2017 #36
This is the mindset of the LIberterian Matthew28 Jun 2017 #37
 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
1. I choose not to buy a Ferrari
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 10:22 AM
Jun 2017

I make a lot of other choices almost everyday:

1. I choose not to buy a mansion on the beach
2. I choose not to take off this afternoon to Hawaii
3. I choose not to play a round of golf at Pebble Beach.

..........

spiderpig

(10,419 posts)
6. Ugh. And he's what we'd end up with if we impeached Orange and What's-His-Face
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 10:36 AM
Jun 2017

HYPOCRITE. Intentional caps.

procon

(15,805 posts)
8. I don't know which is worse, Ryan lying with a straight face, or
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 10:52 AM
Jun 2017

Ryan thinking that anyone actually believes his bullshit lies. On the other hand, I guess, technically speaking, Ryan is right insofar as this comes down to a choice to either buy health insurance or feed your family. Its kind of a ‘Sophie’s Choice’, and Republicans who think like Ryan, it's the peasants who chose not to be rich like him.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
11. conservatives beleive their own bullshit lies
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 11:23 AM
Jun 2017

....access to insurance is NOT access to affordable insurance. We all have access to Lamborghinis

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,414 posts)
12. But
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 11:48 AM
Jun 2017

health care is something more important than buying something frivolous. Is he so out of touch that he CANNOT make that distinction (rhetorical)?

SDJay

(1,089 posts)
13. I Know Folks Who Grew Up With Him
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 11:53 AM
Jun 2017

First, his family money came from government highway contracts. Secondly, despite his family's wealth from those government contracts he still cashed in SS death benefits when his father died at 55. He used them to pay for college. Third, he was always seen by the folks I know as that 'rich kid who thought he was smart but really wasn't' type. He always had the nicest clothes and trapper keepers, and he always handed in reports with pretty graphs and the like that got A's, but to actually talk to him he's a shithead who woke up on third base and thought he hit a triple.

Basically, fuck him.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
21. Trapper keepers!!!
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 03:44 PM
Jun 2017

I can picture a guy wearing Jordache, a polo, a swatch, and checkered Vans in an attempt to throw in some casual coolness. There was at least one in every HS in the 80s.

blueinredohio

(6,797 posts)
14. They will choose not to buy it because they can't afford it
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 12:18 PM
Jun 2017

They need things like food and shelter first after all the things are paid not enough left for healthcare

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
15. Did they ask Ryan
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 01:41 PM
Jun 2017

What do we do when the people who choose to not buy health insurance have a medical emergency and end up at the hospital. What's the going rate today for heart attack/emergency bypass surgery? Who picks up the cost?

One of the big arguments about the individual mandate is that if everyone is covered, there are less unpaid bills, so the cost of healthcare can go down. Same argument retailers make about shop lifting and the price of goods.

So of course people aren't going to buy insurance. Then we go right back where we were.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
22. Unless they want to try to repeal a Reagan era policy
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 03:52 PM
Jun 2017

The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act provided a mandate for socialized medicine.

"The law was often mentioned during the Obamacare debate, as both sides noted that Americans are already paying for poor people’s medical care, either directly or indirectly through this law. But one wonders if the conservatives today would support Reagan’s health mandate, considering that it imposes restrictions on hospitals, shifts costs to the private sector and individual insurance holders, and explicitly mandated the treatment of undocumented immigrants."

http://www.salon.com/2012/07/05/reagans_healthcare_mandate/

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
31. It almost seems like they have to
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 05:07 PM
Jun 2017

In order to achieve their objective. We should just tell everyone that is what the new bill does. Why hold ourselves to facts at this point.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
32. The good old days
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 05:12 PM
Jun 2017

When people could die as they are rejected from ERs, maternal and infant deaths result from lack of hospital access, and of course women dying from botched abortions.

WoonTars

(694 posts)
16. Just like i have 'access' to an Aston Martin....
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 01:45 PM
Jun 2017

...but i 'choose' not to buy one, yes?

What a mendacious asshole he is...

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
25. My niece says she was almost run off the road by a Maserati during her Boston commute...
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 03:56 PM
Jun 2017

Is that close enough?

What you said.

Vinca

(50,278 posts)
19. Hmmm . . . I choose not to buy the $6 million cottage in Maine I was ogling.
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 03:31 PM
Jun 2017

Not because I don't want it. BECAUSE I CAN'T AFFORD IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
24. Chaz Pierce calls him "the zomby-eyed granny starver." In my opinion...
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 03:54 PM
Jun 2017

...Paul Ryan has a face in need of a fist.

What a loathesome excuse for a man he is.

marybourg

(12,633 posts)
27. They "choose" instead to use the ER
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 04:01 PM
Jun 2017

as their fall-back insurance, thus passing on their expenses to those of us who do pay for insurance. Great choices! Publicans are in favor of "choices", no matter how anti-social, for everyone except pregnant women and women of child-bearing age.

hamsterjill

(15,222 posts)
28. Those 22 million will have "access".
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 04:20 PM
Jun 2017

That's the new Republican strategic talking point. Putting a positive spin on death.

Having access doesn't mean having a reasonable ability to afford. Heartless assholes.

Lyricalinklines

(367 posts)
30. He must hate himself to be so cruel. Or jealous that others...
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 05:00 PM
Jun 2017

...will be able to use tax payer money to get ahead of him.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
33. There should be an ad campaign to pounce on statements like this
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 05:14 PM
Jun 2017

Immediately. We have a brief window.

I'd like to punch Paul Ryan in the face. Trump is such a laughing stock I don't really feel that way about him but Ryan is like the typical Republican who earns it. In fact, that would be my defense alone. How can you look or listen to this guy, judge, without understanding that he deserves a fist to the mouth? Dismissed.

onethatcares

(16,172 posts)
36. and when those 22 million people decide
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 05:30 PM
Jun 2017

they don't want to pay for their hospital or doctors visit, they will just prance on down the road worry free.

(do I have to put the thingie here?)

Buy stock in medical debt collection folks, there's gonna be a lot of that.

Matthew28

(1,798 posts)
37. This is the mindset of the LIberterian
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 05:33 PM
Jun 2017

That wishes for America to head back to the 18th century in everyway. They're the greatest threat we face as a nation!

They hate any kind of regulation, help for the poor, old or sick. Truly disgusting sub-human bastards.

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