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Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 01:01 PM Jun 2017

Get this: Repub spin - We'll be spending MORE on Medicaid in 10 yrs than we spend NOW! So not a cut!

I kid you not. This is the new spin, I guess. On Andrea Mitchell show, a Mr. Chen I think his name is.

We will be spending MORE on Medicaid in 10 years than we spend NOW, so that's not a cut. It won't affect those sick kids and others. No problem!

Seriously. It's an insult to Americans to think we're so stupid as to fall for this ridiculous spin that it's not really a cut.

Do any of you expect to have your current salary changed to what it was 10 years ago, and not have to cut some of your expenses or savings plans? Anyone? Because you know, if you are getting paid what you were paid 10 years ago, you have not experienced a CUT in income, have you?

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Get this: Repub spin - We'll be spending MORE on Medicaid in 10 yrs than we spend NOW! So not a cut! (Original Post) Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 OP
Right and are they also considering the Flaleftist Jun 2017 #1
Yes! Inflation is every year. If the program doesn't INCREASE the rate of inflation Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #3
Everyone can afford to eat because a feast cost only 3 cents, 250 years ago! unblock Jun 2017 #2
Right! People just don't know how to budget if they can't get by with that generous amount. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #4
even worse rjohn Jun 2017 #5
+1. Reich makes excellent points. And wow, you really know your stuff! Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #7
"Make room for daddy" is an excellent point, an effect that Hortensis Jun 2017 #9
they lie like rugs spanone Jun 2017 #6
Did the repukes find a new messaging guru? displacedtexan Jun 2017 #8

Flaleftist

(3,473 posts)
1. Right and are they also considering the
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 01:05 PM
Jun 2017

cost per person? If it more people are using it but the cost per person is down it's still a cut.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
3. Yes! Inflation is every year. If the program doesn't INCREASE the rate of inflation
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 01:13 PM
Jun 2017

from what it is now, and more, so that the program is on the same trajectory now, rural hospitals, nursing homes, people, will start having to cut back, firing people, not getting health care.

rjohn

(3 posts)
5. even worse
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 01:27 PM
Jun 2017

Go to Robert Reich's site for a concise and cogent analysis of that bill. On Medicaid he says:

"States would receive an amount of money per Medicaid recipient that appears to grow as healthcare costs rise.
But starting in 2025, the payments would be based on how fast costs rise in the economy as a whole.
Yet medical costs are rising faster than overall costs. They’ll almost surely continue to do so – as America’s elderly population grows, and as new medical devices, technologies, and drugs prolong life. Which means that after 2025, Medicaid coverage will shrink.
The nonpartisan Urban Institute estimates that between 2025 and 2035, about $467 billion less will be spent on Medicaid than would be spent than if Medicaid funding were to keep up with the expected rise in medical costs.
The states would have to make up the difference, but many won’t want to or be able to."

One point I would like to make concerning this issue; I call this bill the "Make Room for Daddy" legislation which is a thinly disguised piece of misogyny. By cutting Medicaid, which crosses the entire population, one particular effect would be to either bankrupt generations of families or force a child or their spouse to stay home and take care of an aging, ill parent. How? To get a parent with a debilitating disease into proper care, a family now needs to go through pyrotechnics depending on whether both parents are alive, their condition, what's in the bank etc. Before a nursing home will take someone they will demand up to six months minimum payment from the family at a cost of anywhere from $7,000.00 to $12,000.00 a month. If the well parent is still alive they are allowed to remain in their home, but the parents' assets must be spent down. If the other parent has passed then the estate goes to the state. Then Medicaid kicks in to finance the remainder of the ill parents remaining days in care or until hospice. With these Medicaid dollars gone and no longer available for long term care, many families will not be able to afford nursing home care, necessitating the children to intervene by paying for in home care or by taking "daddy" into their homes, where the reality is that someone needs to quit a job and stay home to care for that parent. Medicaid pays for in home care also so kiss that goodbye. This will be a devastating reality for most, if not nearly all, middle class Americans, white, black and Latino. WOW. Talk about disasters. Upended living situations, loss if income, reduced tax base, stress factors. Are the Republicans kidding?

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
7. +1. Reich makes excellent points. And wow, you really know your stuff!
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 02:07 PM
Jun 2017

It's true that Trumpers are stupid and uninformed, but not the majority of Americans, to fall for the argument that it's not a cut (believe US and not what your lyin' eyes show you).

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
9. "Make room for daddy" is an excellent point, an effect that
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 10:10 PM
Jun 2017

would please both the hard-core white males who are the pub base and the religious right. I've read that 7 times more women than men turn their lives upside down to become caretakers for relatives.

Welcome to DU, rjohn.

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
8. Did the repukes find a new messaging guru?
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 02:20 PM
Jun 2017

Mitch says the CBO report is a good thing because it shows that "premiums will decrease," and now this future medicaid cost spin. I think there was a third example this week, but it's such a blur.

Anyway, this newspeak messaging smells like new bullshit on top of old bullshit.

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