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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy the Russia investigation could be even bigger than you think
By Paul Waldman June 28 at 1:31 PM
Whenever he comments on special counsel Robert Muellers investigation of the Russia scandal, President Trump seems consumed with refuting the accusation of collusion between himself or his campaign and the Russian government (if you can call Nuh-uh, fake news! a refutation). But while it would certainly be shocking to learn that Trump personally conspired with Vladimir Putin to coordinate the Russians efforts to undermine Hillary Clinton in 2016, collusion is only one sliver of the problem he could face.
Theres a good chance that there were many kinds of wrongdoing going on around Trump, and if there were, Mueller and his team will probably find them. Which is why this investigation could become much bigger than most people realize.
Over his career before he ran for president but continuing once his campaign was underway Trump managed to assemble around himself a group of shady characters worthy of the most notorious mob boss, and that has continued into his presidency. Today we learn this, courtesy of Tom Hamburger and Rosalind Helderman:
<< A consulting firm led by Paul Manafort, who chaired Donald Trumps presidential campaign for several months last year, retroactively filed forms Tuesday showing that his firm received $17.1 million over two years from a political party that dominated Ukraine before its leader fled to Russia in 2014. >>
You may recall that last year a ledger emerged in Ukraine showing huge cash payments from the party to Manafort. At the time he claimed it was a fabrication, but payments noted in the ledger were later confirmed to have taken place. And now just as former national security adviser Michael Flynn did with regard to his work for Turkey Manafort is retroactively registering as a foreign agent, which is the kind of thing you do when your lawyer tells you that youre in serious trouble.
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The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,869 posts)Texin
(2,599 posts)Trumpolini is so deep in Putin's pocket it's hard to fathom how he can even manipulate his thumbs to Tweet bomb at three in the morning. But they are tiny thumbs.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)They are Fascists bastards. Each and everyone of them are lying bastards that the Forefathers would have shunned as scum.
malaise
(269,187 posts)Rec
Eliot Rosewater
(31,121 posts)Sure they all belong in prison, but Hillary belongs in the WH.
There is no way I survive or the country does if the democrats dont take ALL power away from these criminals.
byronius
(7,401 posts)lark
(23,158 posts)So much of the Repug party is implicated in this scheme, it's totally enormous and unprecedented. There's no constitutional remedy for one party being in thrall to a different country, to being traitors to their own country. How do we fix this when the SCOTUS has these partisan asses who put their ideology over the country?
McTurtle taking $2.5 million from a Ukrainian with ties to Putin
Ryan getting a million from Drumpf (after money laundering from Russia?)
Sessions lying about 3 meetings with Russians
Drumpf encouraging Russia to hack Hillary,
Drumpf saying Russia didn't hack the election and refusing to acknowledge what 17 US spy agencies have said - Russia hacked our election
Drumpf has not asked anyone at FBI or CIA to look into this, hasn't mentioned it ever to them except asking them to say he wasn't personally involved.
Drumpf has never asked how we can prevent Russia from hacking the next election, shown 0 interest and neither has the head of the FBI
annabanana
(52,791 posts)to undo some of the damage if they put down longer roots in 2018.
spanone
(135,886 posts)Grammy23
(5,815 posts)Why would we expect any other kind of behavior in his political campaign? No telling what things will be uncovered when the investigators start turning over rocks to see what is under them! I suppose that tRump figured since he had largely gotten away with his shenanigans all those years that he could just do more of the same in DC. Only on bigger scale.
That rat came with a reputation and it was anything but sterling. So why wouldn't people look at him askance when he won on Nov. 8th when no one, including him, really expected him to win?? This is going to get real interesting, real fast. So hang on tight. Could be a bumpy ride. Especially for the Orange Menace.
Initech
(100,105 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,022 posts)kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)MiddleClass
(888 posts)I think corrupt Russian money through the Cypress money laundering bank is invested in Trump properties.
After all, one of the Board of Directors from the bank is the old guy in his Cabinet.
Commerce or treasury secretary,
winetourdriver01
(1,154 posts)The russian mob has actually been laundering money through the RNC for quite a while now. The whole republican congressional caucus is awash in russian mob money.
FakeNoose
(32,777 posts)... offering a quid pro quo to Putin. The fix was on before the election, and they can prove it.
I think somebody needs to explain to Cheeto what "collusion" means.
Fun fact: it doesn't involve Russian hookers.
peggysue2
(10,842 posts)Despite what the Trumpster and his acolytes say, I agree that this investigation appears to have legs and encompasses a multilayered approach. The team Mueller has assembled points toward a much bigger hornets' nest than collusion and obstruction though I suspect those charges will be the entry point. Mueller has brought on lawyers with expertise in money-laundering, bank fraud, terrorism and cyber-security, as well as criminal investigators. The man is not fooling around. I've also read that NY's AG Eric Schneiderman has been putting together a case against Trump and his various financial dealings with mob-related characters and Russian oligarchs.
DT has a reason to be obsessed with the Russian probe. He's in deep trouble. Of his own making, I might add.
welivetotreadonkings
(134 posts)Of course if it turns out there was collusion that would be a huge deal, but I think there are other aspects Trump is more concerned about... connections to organized crime is the first thing that comes to my mind...
Perseus
(4,341 posts)Who would find this shocking? I feel that it will be found out that he, and others in the republican party, were in it as well.
I just can't wait for the day when it is all out there...and it better be, otherwise the USA will officially become a 3rd World country.
red dog 1
(27,866 posts)pnwmom
(108,996 posts)I think DT's crime tentacles reach all the way to Russia and beyond, and we'll never get to the bottom of them. But all Mueller has to do is prove enough to get him out of office, and hopefully Pence as well.
And take down Ryan and McConnell with them.
Amaryllis
(9,525 posts)know is how far down the R chain of command the corruption goes.
The_jackalope
(1,660 posts)Most people really can't comprehend the size, complexity and duration of the criminality at work here. I wonder if one of the things that's delaying proceedings is Mueller having to make a choice of which of the myriad of possible charges to deal with first.
One of the few people who has enough flexibility to get her mind around the scope of this thing is Louise M. And the fact that she groks it - and talks about it rather flamboyantly - causes people to dismiss her as hysterical or cray. She's neither, IMO, but she is very dangerous to the flat six-legged people who are trying to hide under the baseboards. She has a nasty habit of turning on the lights. As a result she is subjected to assault from all points of the compass. IMNSHO.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)How big can this investigation get? Is a generation of stealing elections big enough?
Amaryllis
(9,525 posts)have been screaming about that for years; since 2000. Hopefully all the congressional testimony on how vulnerable our election infrastructure is will create the awareness necessary for them to open their eyes to that.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029249235
Here's a C-span video of a computer science expert testifying before Senate Intel. Makes it pretty clear it's vulnerable to much more than just Russians tampering:
J. Alex Halderman: Our voting structure is vulnerable to sabotage, even to attacks that can change votes Computer science professor whose research focuses on computer security and privacy has (with colleagues) studied voting machines and tested and verified that they can be hacked by foreign actors. "The key lesson from 2016 is that these threats are real." What needs to happen: * Upgrade old voting machines to new ones that have optical character recognition to recognize votes made on paper ballots. * Use those paper backups to verify the ballot count is accurate. * Harden voting systems against sabotage by applying cybersecurity best practices. We can upgrade our election infrastructure by 2018.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)bresue
(1,007 posts)Paul Manafort and Flynn reported money earned by foreign governments working as foreign agents in the US.
My question is did not Dump or Tillerson work for Russia with several business deals in Florida with his real estate deals? And we know they have not filed money received from foreign governments.
csziggy
(34,138 posts)So he could claim that it was not known who was actually buying the real estate.
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Trump condos worth $250 million pose potential conflict
Nick Penzenstadler , Steve Reilly and John Kelly , USA TODAY
Published 7:05 p.m. ET April 20, 2017 | Updated 11:20 p.m. ET April 20, 2017
LAS VEGAS President Trumps companies own more than 400 condo units and home lots whose sale could steer millions of dollars to Trump, a USA TODAY investigation has found.
USA TODAY spent four months cataloging every property Trump's companies own across the country. Reporters found that Trumps companies are sitting on at least $250 million of individual properties in the USA alone. Property records show Trumps trust and his companies own at least 422 luxury condos and penthouses from New York City to Las Vegas, 12 mansion lots on bluffs overlooking his golf course on the Pacific Ocean and dozens more smaller pieces of real estate. The properties range in value from about $200,000 to $35 million each.
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Anyone seeking to influence the president could set up an anonymous company and purchase his property, said Heather Lowe, director of government affairs at Global Financial Integrity, a D.C.-based group aimed at curbing illicit financial transactions. Its a big black box, and the system is failing as a check for conflicts of interest.
Since Election Day, records show Trump companies have sold at least 14 luxury condos and home-building lots for about $23 million. Half were sold to limited liability companies. No names were listed in deeds, obscuring buyers identities. Since launching his White House bid, Trumps companies have sold at least 58 units nationwide for about $90 million. Almost half of those sold to LLCs.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/04/20/trump-owns-250m-condos-and-you-could-buy-one/100566302/
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This article details many conflicts of interest, including a number of real estate ventures that should be problems for Trump - but that have been mostly ignored by most media sources:
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Trumps Interests vs. Americas, Clean-Water-Rule Edition
Jeremy Venook 12:49 PM ET
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The Background
President Donald Trump still has not taken the necessary steps to distance himself from his businesses while in office. In accordance with a plan that he and one of his lawyers, Sheri Dillon, laid out at a press conference on January 11, Trump has filed paperwork to remove himself from the day-to-day operation of his eponymous organization. However, numerous ethics experts have voiced strenuous objections to the plan, which they say does very little to resolve the issue: As long as Trump continues to profit from his business empirewhich he does whether or not he is nominally in chargethey say, the possibility that outside actors will attempt to affect his policies by plumping up his pocketbook will remain very much in play.
Several of Trumps critics have moved forward with legal action. The watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, or CREW, filed a lawsuit alleging that Trumps business holdings violate the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution, which makes it illegal for government officials to accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State. CREWs bipartisan legal team includes, among others, Norm Eisen and Richard Painter, who served as ethics lawyers under Presidents Obama and George W. Bush, respectively; Laurence Tribe, a constitutional law professor at Harvard University; and Zephyr Teachout, a professor at Fordham University (and former congressional candidate) who is considered an authority on the Emoluments Clause. All have been vocally critical of Trumps continued refusal to sell off his business, and are now taking their case to court to argue that several of Trumps businesses present avenues by which foreign governments could seek to influence the president by, for example, booking stays at one of his hotels or renting space at one of his properties. Additionally, the lawsuit seeks to force Trump to reveal his tax returns, something every president has done since Gerald Ford but which Trump has refused to do, significantly limiting the publics ability to understand the presidents finances. When asked about the lawsuit, Trump described it as totally without merit. Eisen was quick to respond on Twitter, offering to debate Trump (or his chosen champion) on the merits of our case anytime, making it clear that CREW intends to continue to pursue its case. (CREW has also filed a separate complaint to the General Services Administration arguing that Trump has violated the lease on his Washington, D.C. hotel, which states that no ... elected official of the Government of the United States
shall be admitted to any share or part of this Lease, or to any benefit that may arise therefrom.)
Though CREW is the first group to bring a lawsuit against President Trump, it may soon have company. According to The New York Times, Anthony Romero, the executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union, has said that his organization is looking for a plaintiff to sue Trump for violating the Emoluments Clause, although with a different claim to legal standing: While CREW intends to demonstrate that the group itself has suffered financial harm because the need to focus on the Emoluments Clause has diverted its resources away from other worthy causes, the ACLU is hoping to find a hotel or bed-and-breakfast owner that can prove he or she has lost business to one of Trumps hotels during his presidency.
CREWs lawsuit is just the latest development in what promises to be a continuing saga regarding Trumps many conflicts of interest that began almost as soon as he won the presidency. Along with his unprecedented wealth, Trump brings to the office unique and gravely concerning entanglements that, whether he recognizes their effects or not, threaten to undermine his decision-making as president. The plan Trump and Dillon announced on January 11 would do very little to resolve the conflicts: It places control of his assets in the hands of his two adult sons and a longtime associate of their fathers with what so far amounts to a pinky-swear assurance that, despite their proximity to the president, they will not discuss any aspect of the business with him. On top of that, the plan supposedly would terminate several of the Trump Organizations pending deals and place a ban on new foreign deals, two conditions undermined by the announcement that the organization would be moving forward with expanding its golf course in Aberdeen, Scotland.
MUCH more: https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/06/donald-trump-conflicts-of-interests/508382/
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R B Garr
(16,990 posts)WOW, can't wait until this all gets exposed for all the world to see. A full-on mafia boss is in the White House. Call it the Red House for now with the Russian mafia there, too. What an amazingly sleazy story we are watching unfold.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)ancianita
(36,137 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)is a story which needs to be told.
bdamomma
(63,923 posts)the noose keeps on getting tighter around their necks.
Ilsa
(61,698 posts)or fully understand what he and his team were doing, but he sure as hell knew what the objective was, and how it would, generally, be achieved - through hacking.
The timing of his public messages to putin, the hackers, wikileaks, Assange, etc was too perfect. He was telling them when to strike.
Gothmog
(145,619 posts)Samantha
(9,314 posts)has yet to be identified. I believe most people know about McConnell's 2.5 million PAC donation and know that Ryan knew about the whole venture, yet did nothing, but there have been rumors that other members in the political landscape were also participants as far as accepting money from Russia.
Sam
Cha
(297,728 posts)That even the M$M can't cover it up... you, too, Fakefux.
kimbutgar
(21,211 posts)For collusion and treason and the whole electiin invalidated. and getting gorsuch removed would be a nice cherry on top.
niyad
(113,585 posts)MrPurple
(985 posts)Last edited Thu Jun 29, 2017, 04:24 PM - Edit history (1)
I have no doubt that Trump will try to kill this. I hope all of the committee's evidence is being somehow duplicated and stored in backup locations.
bonniebgood
(943 posts)that Muller and Comey are both republicans. All republician are party first. They couldn't get a small governor like Christy for closing the bridge what make you all think with republicans in charge trump is going down? They will bring down the ones around him, like Christy and not the top dog trump. Sorry I don't trust ANY republican. I pray to be wrong.
Linda Ed
(493 posts)Breaking: Just confirmed by source with knowledge of Mueller investigation. Paul Manafort is not cooperating. He has no deal. Full stop.
What I think this means:not what I was told which is the tweet. Prosecutors neither need nor want Manafort's cooperation. They have Flynn
And mountains-decades of evidence against Manafort. His work over the years is reprehensible...resulted in people being killed and unimaginable poverty.. if he walks there is no justice.. They want him punished. He's a dead man walking. He isn't walking. He's going away for decades.
These posted by Claude Taylor twitter..