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she received a supposed seriously classified document...that turned out to be fake (revised)
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,834 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)And she is saying as much.
still_one
(92,381 posts)person or persons unknown?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)That someone is shopping fake documents to trick news organizations.
still_one
(92,381 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)ecstatic
(32,731 posts)I wasn't sure where she was headed until she said it.
vrguy
(236 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)luvallpeeps
(935 posts)Catmusicfan
(816 posts)superpatriotman
(6,252 posts)To news agencies. Sounds very okeefe'y
kacekwl
(7,021 posts)Someone is working very hard to clear crooked trumpy and his rabid crew.
ecstatic
(32,731 posts)that are reporting on the Russian attack on our election and Trump's possible collusion with the Russians.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)ecstatic
(32,731 posts)They photoshopped the document that Reality Winner sent to The Intercept. Maddow's staff caught it by comparing the crease & printer dots from Winner's document to the document that they were sent. The metadata of the document showed that it was created AFTER Reality Winner was arrested, but BEFORE the Intercept published it. That eliminates random Reddit / alt-right types. The potential suspects are either high level government officials or a rogue pro-Trump person connected to the Intercept? Perhaps Bannon, Trump Jr, Kushner?
Qutzupalotl
(14,327 posts)after his stunt with Nunez. Rachel mentioned the forged document named a WH official (but she did not), so that sounds to me like an insider rather than a fellow journalist. Just a hunch.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)Her staff, I believe, figured it out. The printer fingerprint was partially copied over to the forged doc.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,834 posts)documents.
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)From Reality Winner and before the Intercept published it
herding cats
(19,567 posts)You're correct.
Boxerfan
(2,533 posts)Someone is shopping carefully crafted fake documents to discredit the news agencies that fall for it.
My quick take.
6.18 add!!!
This is from inside a US agency-after arrest of earlier source but before official release. So only source is "inside " a US agency.
malaise
(269,157 posts)Trekologer
(997 posts)If I remember correctly, the Bush campaign never denied it but instead "bloggers" suddenly "discovered" the typeface spacing. It allowed them to discredit the story entirely without denying or refuting the content of it.
That leads to a sinister play: leak a fake document containing true information and discredit the document.
By the way, is this the bombshell that the peanut gallery claimed news agencies were sitting on?
still_one
(92,381 posts)onecaliberal
(32,888 posts)still_one
(92,381 posts)document Rachel received was a fake document, so it might not have been the exact same document
onecaliberal
(32,888 posts)Thank goodness Rachel is so wicked smart.
still_one
(92,381 posts)superpatriotman
(6,252 posts)Trying to paint the whole media with one brush.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)Nothing would surprise me with these people.
malaise
(269,157 posts)dots...says it looks like a cut and paste forgery
probably WH mischief
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,834 posts)as a likely forgery and pointed out that its purpose is probably to discredit news organizations who report it as real.
superpatriotman
(6,252 posts)To summarize
malaise
(269,157 posts)The fake news posse aka the Con's folks sent out this shit for their got yah moment.
The advantage for Rachel is that she is a PhD researcher - she won' t be fooled that easily
Catmusicfan
(816 posts)superpatriotman
(6,252 posts)So either someone at the Intercept (not likely) or a Roger Stone-type inside the government created it and sent it to sendittorachel.com
I vote inside the house (the White one)
Catmusicfan
(816 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)wishstar
(5,271 posts)since it was sent to her before the Intercept printed the real NSA document that was used as template for forged doc sent to Rachel.
malaise
(269,157 posts)or a recent CNN mess - send the fake evidence
We don't know who's doing it but we're working on it. Pay attention
ecstatic
(32,731 posts)the document, but AFTER Reality Winner was arrested--meaning high level government officials were already all over it. It could be someone in the WH. Probably Bannon or Kushner or Trump Jr. Clearly someone who doesn't pay attention to details (they forgot to remove the crease, printer dots, etc).
superpatriotman
(6,252 posts)I'm shocked.
skylucy
(3,740 posts)That is NOT what Rachel said at all. I agree it is more likely someone connected to Trump... like Kushner or Bannon.
wishstar
(5,271 posts)that had been copied and sent to intercept by Reality Winner. However, the Intercept reportedly sent a copy of their photocopied document to NSA and possibly the Office of the Director of National Intelligence before they published the redacted document.
Therefore, the people who had access to Reality Winner's photocopy besides her were Intercept staffers and possibly NSA staffers and Office of National Intelligence staffers and possibly FBI.
Rachel said that the Intercept has been dismissive of the Russia election hacking issues and she showed a montage of their headlines that have played down the Russian story, so she said it was unusual for them to have published the NSA doc revealing the Russian hacking of election systems compared to their previous coverage.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,834 posts)to discredit the Russia investigation.
This is about the NSA contractor in Georgia, Reality Winner, who leaked a classified document to The Intercept. When The Intercept asked the NSA to validate the document, they were able to trace the document to a specific printer, which led to who it was that made the copy.
The same pattern of barely visible dots that identified the NSA document appeared on the documents sent anonymously to RMS. They got it the same week the Intercept published the Winner documents, but before Winner was arrested. The RMS forged document seems to be from a document that was not yet available!
There are a few typos and weird spacing and other oddities, and, most importantly, it names an American citizen in the Trump campaign - which would not appear in a real NSA report. She says, why is someone shopping forged documents to news organizations reporting about the Russia investigation? Sounds a lot like the Dan Rather incident back in '04 - an apparent attempt to discredit a reputable reporter and it completely spiked the Bush story, which might have been true.
She suspects these documents are being sent to news organizations to trick them into reporting fake news and destroying the credibility of any other Trump/Russia stories.
"Heads up in the meantime, everybody."
malaise
(269,157 posts)Looks like CNN fell for it
DeminPennswoods
(15,290 posts)or they're in cahoots with whoever is trying to discredit the Russian investigation.
JenniferJuniper
(4,515 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)Let's check the tweets
womanofthehills
(8,759 posts)Ilsa
(61,698 posts)"Heads-up, everybody!"
Someone is shopping fake documents to news media to discredit them.
DeminPennswoods
(15,290 posts)was talking about knowing there was disinformation being put out and how difficult it was to seperate that from truthful information. They all said they were getting a lot more info from career civil servants than ever before, too.
doc03
(35,363 posts)on? CNN Very interesting.
AJT
(5,240 posts)source of their false story.
H2O Man
(73,603 posts)to discredit Rachel. But she is far smarter than those who sent it.
malaise
(269,157 posts)She wasn't falling for it
Devin Nunes got caught playing in the last time this group of clowns attempted an operation.
Freethinker65
(10,047 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)Oh Yes!
world wide wally
(21,754 posts)Hekate
(90,787 posts)I'm glad she did it so people know what the goons are up to - it may not be new but people need to be reminded over and over
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)They do have SOMETHING, I would bet.
But they are NOT trusting it and broadcasting it without being SURE they're not being fed bullshit to make them look bad.
Hence, getting it out indirectly through someone like Claude ... just to see what shakes out. W/O sticking their neck out.
DeminPennswoods
(15,290 posts)similar to what Maddow said was in the forged document she got. It seems like either CNN was sent the same forged document and also determined it was fake or that Taylor/Mensch also got the document and believed it. Taylor's tweet above seems like CYA.
arthritisR_US
(7,291 posts)kentuck
(111,110 posts)I clicked your post to find out.