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Rachel's hot story is about 'Send it to Rachel' (Original Post) malaise Jul 2017 OP
Come on, Rachel, spit it out! The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2017 #1
Obviously fake oberliner Jul 2017 #2
actually that would be news because it would expose a pattern of disinformation by still_one Jul 2017 #15
That's where she is going oberliner Jul 2017 #20
Thanks obe still_one Jul 2017 #21
Well laid out by Rachel n/t malaise Jul 2017 #42
lol. You figured it out quickly. ecstatic Jul 2017 #50
the suspense n/t vrguy Jul 2017 #3
I hate being teased... HipChick Jul 2017 #4
I can't handle this! luvallpeeps Jul 2017 #5
Holy Shit! Top secret stuff and possible russia/Trump stuff. Catmusicfan Jul 2017 #6
somebody is shopping forged, fake docs on Russia superpatriotman Jul 2017 #7
More Carl Rovey. kacekwl Jul 2017 #29
Someone is shopping carefully forged documents to discredit news agencies ecstatic Jul 2017 #8
Did they send one to her? Or send her info about the scam? bettyellen Jul 2017 #13
Someone sent her photoshopped NSA documents ecstatic Jul 2017 #39
My money's on Ezra Cohen-Watnick Qutzupalotl Jul 2017 #60
She got one at www.sendittorachel.com Control-Z Jul 2017 #43
The Intercept is up to no good! bettyellen Jul 2017 #9
Not the intercept - somebody forging documents from the real Intercept The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2017 #24
I believe Rachel said it was forged after the Intercept received the document njhoneybadger Jul 2017 #41
Per the meta data they have, that is the assumption. herding cats Jul 2017 #56
Remember the Dan Rather fake doc setup-this again. Boxerfan Jul 2017 #10
Good take malaise Jul 2017 #46
The Rather set-up always seemed odd Trekologer Jul 2017 #68
As long as they didn't send it to Glenn Greenwald and the Intercept still_one Jul 2017 #11
They did, the Intetcept published it and within an hour someone was arrested. onecaliberal Jul 2017 #35
I know, I was being sarcastic. Also, from what I gather from other comments, the still_one Jul 2017 #38
It appears to be a copy of that document. Maggotco is trying to bait all news organizations. onecaliberal Jul 2017 #45
agreed, and I hope the news media in general covers this still_one Jul 2017 #48
Media smear campaign superpatriotman Jul 2017 #12
I hope she is not being played?? kentuck Jul 2017 #14
It's an NSA document complete with the malaise Jul 2017 #16
No. She is absolutely not being played. She identified the document The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2017 #34
The phone call is coming from inside the house! superpatriotman Jul 2017 #17
Looks that way to me malaise Jul 2017 #19
Huh? Catmusicfan Jul 2017 #25
It was created between Winner's arrest and the Intercept story superpatriotman Jul 2017 #30
Ah, I am thinking that true. Catmusicfan Jul 2017 #36
I vote Assange. Someone would have sent him the same document. grantcart Jul 2017 #54
Appears that someone connected to Intercept faked a document they sent to Rachel wishstar Jul 2017 #18
or the Con's folks to do a Dan Rather malaise Jul 2017 #22
Not necessarily connected to the Intercept--the forgery was created before the Intercept published ecstatic Jul 2017 #27
You mean the dead-end gang in the White House isn't detail oriented? superpatriotman Jul 2017 #32
Thank you for posting. I don't get why people on this thread are saying it was from the Intercept. skylucy Jul 2017 #37
The forged document was created from the photocopy in possession of the Intercept wishstar Jul 2017 #58
She says somebody may be shopping forged documents The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2017 #23
Very interesting malaise Jul 2017 #26
Claude Taylor and Mensch apparently fell for it DeminPennswoods Jul 2017 #31
I'll go with the latter. JenniferJuniper Jul 2017 #33
That did cross my mind malaise Jul 2017 #49
Your statement is not true womanofthehills Jul 2017 #61
This is about someone trying to discredit the media! Ilsa Jul 2017 #28
The other day on Hardball, Matthews' panel of journalists DeminPennswoods Jul 2017 #40
Who recently fired reporters for reporting fake news? CNN Who has Trump declared war doc03 Jul 2017 #44
I wonder if CNN is trying to find the original AJT Jul 2017 #57
Merely an attempt H2O Man Jul 2017 #47
That's for sure malaise Jul 2017 #51
Nope. H2O Man Jul 2017 #52
Will be more interesting if they can trace the forged document back to the original location/person Freethinker65 Jul 2017 #53
She and her team are working on it malaise Jul 2017 #55
Thanks, Rachel and your staff world wide wally Jul 2017 #59
I hope you watched the rest of it, Malaise Hekate Jul 2017 #62
Sure did malaise Jul 2017 #66
This is why CNN isn't coming right out and talking about the transcripts of the calls ... mr_lebowski Jul 2017 #63
Info in Taylor's original tweet was very DeminPennswoods Jul 2017 #64
You guys really missed the critical issue in her story 😞 arthritisR_US Jul 2017 #65
What was it? kentuck Jul 2017 #67

still_one

(92,381 posts)
15. actually that would be news because it would expose a pattern of disinformation by
Thu Jul 6, 2017, 09:11 PM
Jul 2017

person or persons unknown?

ecstatic

(32,731 posts)
8. Someone is shopping carefully forged documents to discredit news agencies
Thu Jul 6, 2017, 09:07 PM
Jul 2017

that are reporting on the Russian attack on our election and Trump's possible collusion with the Russians.

ecstatic

(32,731 posts)
39. Someone sent her photoshopped NSA documents
Thu Jul 6, 2017, 09:33 PM
Jul 2017

They photoshopped the document that Reality Winner sent to The Intercept. Maddow's staff caught it by comparing the crease & printer dots from Winner's document to the document that they were sent. The metadata of the document showed that it was created AFTER Reality Winner was arrested, but BEFORE the Intercept published it. That eliminates random Reddit / alt-right types. The potential suspects are either high level government officials or a rogue pro-Trump person connected to the Intercept? Perhaps Bannon, Trump Jr, Kushner?

Qutzupalotl

(14,327 posts)
60. My money's on Ezra Cohen-Watnick
Thu Jul 6, 2017, 11:44 PM
Jul 2017

after his stunt with Nunez. Rachel mentioned the forged document named a WH official (but she did not), so that sounds to me like an insider rather than a fellow journalist. Just a hunch.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
43. She got one at www.sendittorachel.com
Thu Jul 6, 2017, 09:35 PM
Jul 2017

Her staff, I believe, figured it out. The printer fingerprint was partially copied over to the forged doc.

njhoneybadger

(3,910 posts)
41. I believe Rachel said it was forged after the Intercept received the document
Thu Jul 6, 2017, 09:34 PM
Jul 2017

From Reality Winner and before the Intercept published it

Boxerfan

(2,533 posts)
10. Remember the Dan Rather fake doc setup-this again.
Thu Jul 6, 2017, 09:09 PM
Jul 2017

Someone is shopping carefully crafted fake documents to discredit the news agencies that fall for it.
My quick take.



6.18 add!!!

This is from inside a US agency-after arrest of earlier source but before official release. So only source is "inside " a US agency.

Trekologer

(997 posts)
68. The Rather set-up always seemed odd
Fri Jul 7, 2017, 09:29 AM
Jul 2017

If I remember correctly, the Bush campaign never denied it but instead "bloggers" suddenly "discovered" the typeface spacing. It allowed them to discredit the story entirely without denying or refuting the content of it.

That leads to a sinister play: leak a fake document containing true information and discredit the document.

By the way, is this the bombshell that the peanut gallery claimed news agencies were sitting on?

still_one

(92,381 posts)
38. I know, I was being sarcastic. Also, from what I gather from other comments, the
Thu Jul 6, 2017, 09:32 PM
Jul 2017

document Rachel received was a fake document, so it might not have been the exact same document


onecaliberal

(32,888 posts)
45. It appears to be a copy of that document. Maggotco is trying to bait all news organizations.
Thu Jul 6, 2017, 09:36 PM
Jul 2017

Thank goodness Rachel is so wicked smart.

malaise

(269,157 posts)
16. It's an NSA document complete with the
Thu Jul 6, 2017, 09:15 PM
Jul 2017

dots...says it looks like a cut and paste forgery

probably WH mischief

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,834 posts)
34. No. She is absolutely not being played. She identified the document
Thu Jul 6, 2017, 09:30 PM
Jul 2017

as a likely forgery and pointed out that its purpose is probably to discredit news organizations who report it as real.

malaise

(269,157 posts)
19. Looks that way to me
Thu Jul 6, 2017, 09:20 PM
Jul 2017

The fake news posse aka the Con's folks sent out this shit for their got yah moment.
The advantage for Rachel is that she is a PhD researcher - she won' t be fooled that easily

superpatriotman

(6,252 posts)
30. It was created between Winner's arrest and the Intercept story
Thu Jul 6, 2017, 09:27 PM
Jul 2017

So either someone at the Intercept (not likely) or a Roger Stone-type inside the government created it and sent it to sendittorachel.com

I vote inside the house (the White one)

wishstar

(5,271 posts)
18. Appears that someone connected to Intercept faked a document they sent to Rachel
Thu Jul 6, 2017, 09:18 PM
Jul 2017

since it was sent to her before the Intercept printed the real NSA document that was used as template for forged doc sent to Rachel.

malaise

(269,157 posts)
22. or the Con's folks to do a Dan Rather
Thu Jul 6, 2017, 09:23 PM
Jul 2017

or a recent CNN mess - send the fake evidence

We don't know who's doing it but we're working on it. Pay attention

ecstatic

(32,731 posts)
27. Not necessarily connected to the Intercept--the forgery was created before the Intercept published
Thu Jul 6, 2017, 09:25 PM
Jul 2017

the document, but AFTER Reality Winner was arrested--meaning high level government officials were already all over it. It could be someone in the WH. Probably Bannon or Kushner or Trump Jr. Clearly someone who doesn't pay attention to details (they forgot to remove the crease, printer dots, etc).

skylucy

(3,740 posts)
37. Thank you for posting. I don't get why people on this thread are saying it was from the Intercept.
Thu Jul 6, 2017, 09:31 PM
Jul 2017

That is NOT what Rachel said at all. I agree it is more likely someone connected to Trump... like Kushner or Bannon.

wishstar

(5,271 posts)
58. The forged document was created from the photocopy in possession of the Intercept
Thu Jul 6, 2017, 09:52 PM
Jul 2017

that had been copied and sent to intercept by Reality Winner. However, the Intercept reportedly sent a copy of their photocopied document to NSA and possibly the Office of the Director of National Intelligence before they published the redacted document.

Therefore, the people who had access to Reality Winner's photocopy besides her were Intercept staffers and possibly NSA staffers and Office of National Intelligence staffers and possibly FBI.

Rachel said that the Intercept has been dismissive of the Russia election hacking issues and she showed a montage of their headlines that have played down the Russian story, so she said it was unusual for them to have published the NSA doc revealing the Russian hacking of election systems compared to their previous coverage.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,834 posts)
23. She says somebody may be shopping forged documents
Thu Jul 6, 2017, 09:23 PM
Jul 2017

to discredit the Russia investigation.

This is about the NSA contractor in Georgia, Reality Winner, who leaked a classified document to The Intercept. When The Intercept asked the NSA to validate the document, they were able to trace the document to a specific printer, which led to who it was that made the copy.

The same pattern of barely visible dots that identified the NSA document appeared on the documents sent anonymously to RMS. They got it the same week the Intercept published the Winner documents, but before Winner was arrested. The RMS forged document seems to be from a document that was not yet available!

There are a few typos and weird spacing and other oddities, and, most importantly, it names an American citizen in the Trump campaign - which would not appear in a real NSA report. She says, why is someone shopping forged documents to news organizations reporting about the Russia investigation? Sounds a lot like the Dan Rather incident back in '04 - an apparent attempt to discredit a reputable reporter and it completely spiked the Bush story, which might have been true.

She suspects these documents are being sent to news organizations to trick them into reporting fake news and destroying the credibility of any other Trump/Russia stories.

"Heads up in the meantime, everybody."

DeminPennswoods

(15,290 posts)
31. Claude Taylor and Mensch apparently fell for it
Thu Jul 6, 2017, 09:27 PM
Jul 2017

or they're in cahoots with whoever is trying to discredit the Russian investigation.

Ilsa

(61,698 posts)
28. This is about someone trying to discredit the media!
Thu Jul 6, 2017, 09:26 PM
Jul 2017

"Heads-up, everybody!"

Someone is shopping fake documents to news media to discredit them.

DeminPennswoods

(15,290 posts)
40. The other day on Hardball, Matthews' panel of journalists
Thu Jul 6, 2017, 09:33 PM
Jul 2017

was talking about knowing there was disinformation being put out and how difficult it was to seperate that from truthful information. They all said they were getting a lot more info from career civil servants than ever before, too.

doc03

(35,363 posts)
44. Who recently fired reporters for reporting fake news? CNN Who has Trump declared war
Thu Jul 6, 2017, 09:36 PM
Jul 2017

on? CNN Very interesting.

H2O Man

(73,603 posts)
52. Nope.
Thu Jul 6, 2017, 09:41 PM
Jul 2017

Devin Nunes got caught playing in the last time this group of clowns attempted an operation.

malaise

(269,157 posts)
66. Sure did
Fri Jul 7, 2017, 05:30 AM
Jul 2017

I'm glad she did it so people know what the goons are up to - it may not be new but people need to be reminded over and over

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
63. This is why CNN isn't coming right out and talking about the transcripts of the calls ...
Fri Jul 7, 2017, 12:42 AM
Jul 2017

They do have SOMETHING, I would bet.

But they are NOT trusting it and broadcasting it without being SURE they're not being fed bullshit to make them look bad.

Hence, getting it out indirectly through someone like Claude ... just to see what shakes out. W/O sticking their neck out.

DeminPennswoods

(15,290 posts)
64. Info in Taylor's original tweet was very
Fri Jul 7, 2017, 04:30 AM
Jul 2017

similar to what Maddow said was in the forged document she got. It seems like either CNN was sent the same forged document and also determined it was fake or that Taylor/Mensch also got the document and believed it. Taylor's tweet above seems like CYA.

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