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kentuck

(111,110 posts) Mon Jul 10, 2017, 12:51 AM Jul 2017

I think we should have a national referendum this November...

...if not sooner.

That may be easier for Democrats to see than Republicans?

But, for those that wish to look, we can see that this is not going to end well. We can close our eyes and cover the tops of our heads with the palms of our hands, but we know this is a battle we have to fight.

America loses prestige around the world with every passing day. It's like you bought a brand new car but you don't like it anymore. What can you do? You are stuck with it.

We need to return to a democracy as soon as possible. Some folks confuse "democratic" with "Democratic" or with "Democrat" but all it really means is "the will of the people".

We need a "democracy" movement, in my opinion. We need to get it on the ballot as soon as possible.

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I think we should have a national referendum this November... (Original Post) kentuck Jul 2017 OP

And the purpose of this referendum would be................? WillowTree Jul 2017 #1

A return to democracy. kentuck Jul 2017 #3

Accomplishing nothing, really. WillowTree Jul 2017 #6

We already have a nationwide referendum scheduled for November 6, 2018... tritsofme Jul 2017 #2

Yes, we do. kentuck Jul 2017 #4

We just have to invoke the National Referendum Clause of the constitution. Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #5

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)

1. And the purpose of this referendum would be................?

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Mon Jul 10, 2017, 01:01 AM

Jul 2017

kentuck

(111,110 posts)

3. A return to democracy.

Reply to WillowTree (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 10, 2017, 01:08 AM

Jul 2017

I bet it would win.

I would like to see it but I doubt it would ever happen? It would require the will and the action of the people.

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)

6. Accomplishing nothing, really.

Reply to kentuck (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 10, 2017, 09:01 AM

Jul 2017

Your "return to democracy" is ambiguous and pretty much meaningless. What I think you're trying to say is you want to be able to run a referendum to remove Trump from office or negate the 2016 election or some such thing and, as has been pointed out in this forum countless times since November by me and many others, there is absolutely no constitutional provision for such a thing. Better to try to focus on things that might actually accomplish something.

tritsofme

(17,398 posts)

2. We already have a nationwide referendum scheduled for November 6, 2018...

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Mon Jul 10, 2017, 01:04 AM

Jul 2017

kentuck

(111,110 posts)

4. Yes, we do.

Reply to tritsofme (Reply #2)

Mon Jul 10, 2017, 01:09 AM

Jul 2017

That's a long time to gamble. Let's hope we don't run out of chips...

Voltaire2

(13,125 posts)

5. We just have to invoke the National Referendum Clause of the constitution.

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Mon Jul 10, 2017, 06:11 AM

Jul 2017

Of course there isn't one, so first we would have to amend the constitution to enact a National Referendum Clause. Congress ain't gonna do that, perhaps a Constitutional Convention triggered by 34 of the states? Well that could happen, but as 35 of the states are run by lunatic Republicans, we might not like the results.

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