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jpak

(41,758 posts)
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 10:47 AM Jul 2017

A real Constitutional Crisis is coming

Mueller will seek indictments.

Trump will fire Mueller.

Sessions will do nothing.

The GOP Congress will do nothing.

Trump will pardon all - including himself.

Russia, Trump and the GOP will steal the 2018 and 2020 elections.

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A real Constitutional Crisis is coming (Original Post) jpak Jul 2017 OP
Thanks for your guesses. MineralMan Jul 2017 #1
Thank you jpak Jul 2017 #2
Give me one reason why Trump won't pardon everyone CanonRay Jul 2017 #3
Didn't I hear Chris Matthews say samnsara Jul 2017 #9
Because a President cannot pardon someone of a crime charged at the state level. (n/t) FreepFryer Jul 2017 #11
The end is near. Shell_Seas Jul 2017 #4
Indeed jpak Jul 2017 #5
Wow Soxfan58 Jul 2017 #6
I Kinda Agree With Your Analysis.... global1 Jul 2017 #7
Trump destroyed the GOP in 2016 jpak Jul 2017 #10
They want their permanent tax cuts above all things. They need Drumpt the autopen. kairos12 Jul 2017 #15
I agree with your theory, but I also think CrispyQ Jul 2017 #28
One Of My Other Theory's Is That Trump Told Them If He Goes Down - He'll Take The Party With Him.... global1 Jul 2017 #30
The Con might not even have to make much up. CrispyQ Jul 2017 #33
It is looking Else You Are Mad Jul 2017 #8
We won't be discouraged, nor dissuaded. Until the end comes (whatever end) we will fight for justice FreepFryer Jul 2017 #12
Agree get the red out Jul 2017 #31
Well said. +1000 BannonsLiver Jul 2017 #39
Trump can't just fire Mueller. Quit saying it like he can Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #13
Since the Special Prosecutor law lapsed - he can jpak Jul 2017 #16
Not for any reason, only for cause. (n/t) FreepFryer Jul 2017 #18
"Cause he tried to indict me" jpak Jul 2017 #20
Why be invested in speculative pessimism at the very time we should be galvanizing ourselves? (n/t) FreepFryer Jul 2017 #21
Because of all that has transpired jpak Jul 2017 #24
Maybe take a vacation, get some nature, come back refreshed and ready to dig in for a fight... FreepFryer Jul 2017 #25
You know the meaning of "galvanize" don't you? Rainbow Droid Jul 2017 #32
Yes I do. I applaud your dedication, tho your reply to my post is a non-sequitur. FreepFryer Jul 2017 #34
Yeah, sorry, I got distracted while typing up that response, I was thinking about another post... Rainbow Droid Jul 2017 #36
Cheers! :) (n/t) FreepFryer Jul 2017 #37
That's not how it works Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #23
No. He has to have cause and has to go through the process Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #22
i share your viewpoint dembotoz Jul 2017 #14
Eric Schneidermann may be holding the "Trump" card Mr. Ected Jul 2017 #17
Let's add that to the list jpak Jul 2017 #19
Agree with everything EXCEPT the Last Part..... LovingA2andMI Jul 2017 #26
As others have pointed out, Trump can not directly fire Mueller onenote Jul 2017 #27
Do you really think that will stop Trump or Sessions? jpak Jul 2017 #29
Yes. onenote Jul 2017 #38
No way lib-ruhl Jul 2017 #35

CanonRay

(14,104 posts)
3. Give me one reason why Trump won't pardon everyone
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 10:49 AM
Jul 2017

especially now that his brood is threatened. One.

samnsara

(17,622 posts)
9. Didn't I hear Chris Matthews say
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 10:57 AM
Jul 2017

It can only be federal pardons not state pardons the president can do? So they need to add some state charges in there that are serious serious.

global1

(25,251 posts)
7. I Kinda Agree With Your Analysis....
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 10:54 AM
Jul 2017

In another post of mine today I asked the question as to why the Repugs always protect Trump, circle the wagons and come to his aid.

With all the damage he's done to the Repug Party - you would have thought they would have abandoned him months ago. On a day to day basis - they don't know what he'll pull next to put another nail in the coffin of the Repug Party.

My only theory is that the Party knows that through voter suppression and Russian interference in future elections - that they have a lock on the power base that they currently enjoy. They know that they can't lose in 2018 and 2020.

Your post seems to bear that out.

jpak

(41,758 posts)
10. Trump destroyed the GOP in 2016
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 10:57 AM
Jul 2017

Thanks to his moran base, its a headless out-of-control goon.

Trump Inc. is clearly angling for massive voter suppression and electronic voter fraud with the help of his Russian mob friends.

CrispyQ

(36,472 posts)
28. I agree with your theory, but I also think
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 11:59 AM
Jul 2017

that some key GOP leaders are in this up to their turtle necks & they know if they go after the Con, he will fink them out.

global1

(25,251 posts)
30. One Of My Other Theory's Is That Trump Told Them If He Goes Down - He'll Take The Party With Him....
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 12:05 PM
Jul 2017

Throughout the whole primary season; the run-up to the election; the transition into the presidency and since then - Trump has been privy to all of the Repug dirty tricks. I'm thinking he told them if they don't protect him - if he goes down - he'll take them down with the intimate knowledge he has of the Repug Party.

And if he doesn't happen to have dirt on them - he'll just make some up to take them down. He's a master at lying and fake news and I'm sure he'd concoct some terrible story as to just how crooked the Repug Party is.

Who will the people believe? hmmmmm.......

CrispyQ

(36,472 posts)
33. The Con might not even have to make much up.
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 12:07 PM
Jul 2017

McConnell's slime. Ryan too. All the GOP leadership, really. I hope if one of them starts ratting, the whole nest will devour itself.

FreepFryer

(7,077 posts)
12. We won't be discouraged, nor dissuaded. Until the end comes (whatever end) we will fight for justice
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 11:05 AM
Jul 2017

I'm gratified that despairing posts like this are becoming less and less common as the momentum builds...

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
13. Trump can't just fire Mueller. Quit saying it like he can
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 11:08 AM
Jul 2017

Muellers position is one that was intentionally given civil service protections. So he can't be fired arbitrarily, only for cause, and there is a long process that would have to be followed to do that.

jpak

(41,758 posts)
20. "Cause he tried to indict me"
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 11:17 AM
Jul 2017

Trump will make up any excuse to get rid of him.

Kellyanne and Sanders will giddily back him up

FreepFryer

(7,077 posts)
21. Why be invested in speculative pessimism at the very time we should be galvanizing ourselves? (n/t)
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 11:18 AM
Jul 2017

jpak

(41,758 posts)
24. Because of all that has transpired
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 11:27 AM
Jul 2017

GOP states enacted racist voter suppression laws - they worked in 2016

No repercussions for the GOP

Obama didn't get to choose his nominee for the SCOTUS - McConnell and Trump did.

No repercussions for the GOP

Sessions lied about his contacts with Russia - and he is still AG.

No repercussions

The GOP Congress will use the preordained Kobach Commission conclusion to enact even more virulent anti-voting laws.

It's coming and there is not much we can do to stop it.

FreepFryer

(7,077 posts)
25. Maybe take a vacation, get some nature, come back refreshed and ready to dig in for a fight...
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 11:32 AM
Jul 2017

You can use your imagination to create fears or create solutions.

Rainbow Droid

(722 posts)
32. You know the meaning of "galvanize" don't you?
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 12:07 PM
Jul 2017

Because we've all had more than enough time to galvanize ourselves and The Republic against the long term threat this corruption has raised. It didn't just happened magically when this corrupt egomaniac was handed the Presidency. This issue has been the most important one facing the United States of America for almost 40 years, but until now powerful distractions have been created and manipulated to keep the focus elsewhere.

At some point the corruption has to be shaken off or it will overtake and consume. Which is it going to be? We're about to find out.

FreepFryer

(7,077 posts)
34. Yes I do. I applaud your dedication, tho your reply to my post is a non-sequitur.
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 12:16 PM
Jul 2017

Each of us gets pessimistic sometimes, no matter how long we've been in the fight, the trick is not to start discouraging others and do the Right's work FOR them.

Rainbow Droid

(722 posts)
36. Yeah, sorry, I got distracted while typing up that response, I was thinking about another post...
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 12:25 PM
Jul 2017

Need more coffee... and yes, I'm pretty sure we're both in agreement and on the same page of agreement.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
22. No. He has to have cause and has to go through the process
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 11:22 AM
Jul 2017

He can't just arbitrarily do it, he has to show misconduct and prove it.

And it can't be done instantly, it would be a drawn or process.

I don't know if you have ever worked for the Federal Government, but it's very, very hard to fire people with civil service protections. The caught 2 VA employees abusing the system to manipulate vacancies so they could swap jobs in order to abuse a program designed to help transferring VA employees not take a loss on anhoem during the housing crisis in order to get the VA to buy out their homes at pre-crash prices. They still have jobs. They literally pressured subordinates to change jobs so they could take their jobs in order to defraud the VA out of hundreds of thousands of dollars to get out from bad housing buys- and are still employed.

For all practical purposes he can't be fired.

dembotoz

(16,806 posts)
14. i share your viewpoint
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 11:09 AM
Jul 2017

wish i didn't, wish i was all sunshine and lollipops.

but i think you are right

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
17. Eric Schneidermann may be holding the "Trump" card
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 11:12 AM
Jul 2017

If your scenario goes down...and based on what we've been witnessing the past several months, it could well come to fruition in the manner you present...NY AG Schneidermann will probably issue indictments against Trump and his sycophants for multiple RICO violations, money laundering, obstruction of justice, income tax evasion, et al.

Remember. Trump was a felon under investigation for YEARS prior to announcing his candidacy. His campaign violations are only the most recent iteration of his criminal ways.

Make no mistake. Trump will go down, one way or the other.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
26. Agree with everything EXCEPT the Last Part.....
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 11:46 AM
Jul 2017

Trump will either be REMOVED or RESIGN from office. Pence or Hatch will become POTUS and the Republicans will lose bigly in 2018 & 2020.

onenote

(42,714 posts)
27. As others have pointed out, Trump can not directly fire Mueller
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 11:55 AM
Jul 2017

The appointment of the Special Counsel, made by Acting AG Rosenstein, is governed by specific regulations, cited by Rosenstein when he made the appointment. Under those regulations, a special counsel “may be disciplined or removed from office only by the personal action of the Attorney General” [in this case, the acting attorney general]. Moreover, the regulations state that a special counsel can only be removed “for misconduct, dereliction of duty, incapacity, conflict of interest, or for other good cause, including violation of Departmental policies.”

onenote

(42,714 posts)
38. Yes.
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 12:43 PM
Jul 2017

Because Mueller can ignore being "fired" by Trump and keep on doing his job. Then what is Trump going to do? Go to court?

lib-ruhl

(127 posts)
35. No way
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 12:21 PM
Jul 2017

this clown gets reelected. Eventually his house of cards will fall and with it his bid for reelection. Then we motivate people to vote in 2018 and 2020 and turn this thing around.

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