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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo now it's confirmed that Hillary was up against the Russian government.
In addition to the RNC, the Trump campaign, a media apparatus obsessed with silly "scandals," and Comey (as well as a number of FBI officials with way too close for comfort relationships with certain GOPers, including Rudy Giuliani).
And yet she still won the popular vote by more than 3 million.
Tell me again how she was a weak candidate?
mcar
(42,334 posts)Thanks.
GeoWilliam750
(2,522 posts)Thus, I would appreciate a little help from more informed people.
Were there deleted emails?
If so, who deleted them? Did Russia have a part in that?
Apologies in advance for my ignorance on the subject.
hurple
(1,306 posts)In one of the many "investigations" into Benghazi it was disclosed that HRC was using a private email server, in her home, for Secretary of State business. (Which was recommended she do by Colin Powell, as he had done prior to her, and as Condalezza(sp?) Rice had done prior to him, and which was not illegal at the time... although it has since been made illegal) The Benghazi committee subpoenaed all "work related" emails from HRC's private server.
So, Clinton's being Clinton's, and wanting to maintain a level of privacy, she hired an outside law firm to go through all the emails archived on the server and remove all the personal, private emails.
THOSE are the ones they are talking about when they claim they want to see the "deleted" emails.
The ones the law firm regarded as work-related were handed over to the Benghazi committee... etc.
Iplayoneontv
(77 posts)All the government workers I know said her server was probably safer. These aren't Democrats saying this. The government IT security is not awesome because each little fiefdom has their own rules.
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)the US DoS, I heartily concur.
moda253
(615 posts)Don't forget increased and enhanced voter suppression initiatives!
Bleacher Creature
(11,257 posts)You're absolutely right. What a coincidence that the states she barely lost were the ones with the most draconian voter suppresion efforts - MI, WI, and PA. Not to mention NC.
Thanks for reminding me.
GoCubsGo
(32,084 posts)They outright ignored not only the voter suppression tactics, but they also looked the other way at Trump's behavior and carried water for him, while crucifying Hillary over petty shit.
But, Hillary only won the popular vote by 3 million, and not by 7 or 8 million, so she's the worst candidate in the world.
iluvtennis
(19,861 posts)Lucky Luciano
(11,257 posts)The democrats should canvas poor neighborhoods and pay for people to get their voter ID. Probably cheaper than the amount they spend pervote in advertising!
hurple
(1,306 posts)As attempting to buy the votes, which is highly illegal.
Lucky Luciano
(11,257 posts)More illegal than blocking the vote?
BainsBane
(53,034 posts)but they can help them get it in other ways, like help with paper work and where to find resources to pay for them. I believe they did do that in some states.
Lucky Luciano
(11,257 posts)DBoon
(22,366 posts)will be perceived as illegal by those with a vested interest in hanging on to their power
ProfessorPlum
(11,257 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Eko
(7,315 posts)because she didnt connect with something something yadaa yadda, needs to move to the left,,,,needs to move to the right,,,, mumble, mumble, vince foster and nancy pelosi, corporatist, big money,,,, bill clinton wants to lock up everybody,,,,,,the DLC,,,,, speeches,,,,,,.
YCHDT
(962 posts)How could I have forgot that. Thanks!
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)A simple google search of her accomplishments should be enough to prove to any reasonable person that she is eminently qualified, AND has the best interests of We, the People at heart.
pirateshipdude
(967 posts)JHan
(10,173 posts)for the first debate Clinton cannot laugh, cannot cough... while Trump just needed to stay on message or some shit.
in fucking credible.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Yeah. Much.
what else am I gonna do..
it was so fucking stupid.
DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)pirateshipdude
(967 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)have been able to win in a primary against her ....
Your point being?
DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)Can't stand him.
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)He was a good Veep with Obama. But I will never forgive him for his role helping to foist Clarence Thomas on us all.
There are a LOT of us with very long memories about that.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)Squinch
(50,950 posts)YCHDT
(962 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)Plus McCONnell refused to confirm Merrick Garland because he knew the scheme was in motion.
Thus by date of that first email, about a week after Republicon Convention, there had already been negotiations and agreements for that support.
The quid pro quo was the change to the Republican platform regarding sanctions against Russia and that there would be ongoing efforts by tRump to lift the sanctions.
FakeNoose
(32,641 posts)...even though he never received any hacked emails from the Russians, that we know of.
I remember reading somewhere that the FBI has a tape of Trump (supposedly it was intended for Putin) stating that he would ease the sanctions against Russia if he got elected. So that's ANOTHER quid pro quo on a different subject.
They really have the goods on him, don't they?
KPN
(15,646 posts)This stuff really is infuriating -- because everything you said is dead on!
And we got MSM (all of them!) discussing whether or not any laws were actually broken! Christ help us!
How do we FIX this? How do we FIX Gorsuch instead of Garland?!! How do we change something that never should have happened?
I know the Constitution has no provisions to correct these illicit acts. It's enormously frustrating. My passionate self says we the people need to rise up and make things right -- but I really don't think we have it in us to do that, especially in a peaceful way. Sad.
pirateshipdude
(967 posts)pirateshipdude
(967 posts)votes.
Not good enough. Further, we insist she apologize for her failure over and over, tell her to shut up repeatedly and go away.
Amazing, right?
Lucky Luciano
(11,257 posts)pirateshipdude
(967 posts)pirateshipdude
(967 posts)See? I do not think this statement from Sanders were even a little "fantastic". I see another lack luster response at best, on a huge issue.
You?
brush
(53,784 posts)maybe not being a progressive.
Is someone's fire beginning to sputter?
BamaRefugee
(3,483 posts)volstork
(5,401 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)Los Angeles Times, 10/31/2016
"She would be under protracted criminal investigation, and probably a criminal trial, I would say. So we'd have a criminal trial of a sitting president."
(Trump) warned that Russian President Vladimir Putin and other world leaders would "sit back and they would laugh and they would smile" during a years-long investigation. In the meantime, he predicted, manufacturing in the country would further decline and other problems would go unaddressed.
"Our country will continue to suffer," Trump said.
<snip>
betsuni
(25,536 posts)Sentath
(2,243 posts)vilifying her family name.
Which STILL wasn't enough, they had to hack it to win.
Hekate
(90,708 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)And Trump was financing it.
Hekate
(90,708 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)All we're supposed to to is prattle on and on about not making tour stops in Wisconsin...
If only she'd made an appearance in Wisconsin, where, apparently, they don't have TV's.
Hekate
(90,708 posts)I double dog dare you. Bring it on.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Misogyny played its part, especially in the way Hilary haters find it so easy to believe ridiculous smears about her. In the same way the media found it so easy to question her "fitness for office" and smear her character by insinuations over trivialities such as fashion, coughing and vocal inflections, while ignoring her superlative resumé.
Media, much of it repuke owned, have been after both Clintons for at least 30 years, but the hatred, the dehumanization, sticks to her in a way it wouldn't to a man, as it does to all women.
we can do it
(12,186 posts)pirateshipdude
(967 posts)or even good enough when they do speak out.
we can do it
(12,186 posts)Sucha NastyWoman
(2,749 posts)Gerrymandering, voter suppression, Russian collusion,fake news stories
now it makes sense why Hillary lost
Bleacher Creature
(11,257 posts)Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Checks and balances, and Democracy. WTF!
As McCain commented, when asked a question about seeing the "tapes," why don't you ask Putin.
OnDoutside
(19,960 posts)Alice11111
(5,730 posts)...and w this SCOTUS, we aren't going to get rulings that let Repubs lose control.
NBachers
(17,117 posts)Next time . . .
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)in no matter how you look at it. By the time the primaries ended, they had managed to make Hillary and all the institutions of the Democratic Party toxic. The Russians helped, but there were too many on our own side, who were willfully and intentionally aiding & abetting.
and another +1.
brush
(53,784 posts)"Corporate whore" is the one I'll never forget.
And then all the "fighting the Democratic establishment" stuff too from a certain somebody.
pirateshipdude
(967 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)SunSeeker
(51,563 posts)Doug the Dem
(1,297 posts)I am never letting him off the hook.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)OldRedneck
(1,397 posts)Trump was so happy that Hillary was brought down by her emails . . . and now we have Donald Jr's . . . .
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
gademocrat7
(10,659 posts)I hope the whole chump cabal goes down.
Initech
(100,079 posts)ecstatic
(32,705 posts)The suckers were the ones who were verbally "defending" our democracy as it was being stolen.
nikibatts
(2,198 posts)Talk about "Nothing burgers." We got what we ignored.
RainCaster
(10,880 posts)It had to be said.
nolabear
(41,984 posts)They took that. They STOLE that away from us.
brush
(53,784 posts)But I just have to believe that somehow this is going to be righted.
These crooks just can't get away with this. It might come unexpectedly from another direction or issue altogether but it's bound to happen.
The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.
MLK
betsuni
(25,536 posts)orangecrush
(19,570 posts)drmeow
(5,018 posts)The deck is stacked against people who are more progressive and in the past 20 years conservatives have made it even more uphill. I'm reminded of that quote about Ginger Rogers who did everything Fred Astaire did but backwards and in heels!
Hekate
(90,708 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)onetexan
(13,041 posts)it's the correct thing to do.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Tell mew how they are not planning to break up the USA and steal everything.
BigmanPigman
(51,607 posts)She had to stand there, be calm and rational, and take this BS on live camera. She should get an oscar or a medal or at the very least be the POTUS!
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)SkyDaddy7
(6,045 posts)Left who bought into all the Russian bot stories about how Hillary killed her political opponents & basically ran her family charity like a mob! It was heart breaking!
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)pirateshipdude
(967 posts)dalton99a
(81,513 posts)The question that both Congressional and D.O.J. investigators hope to answer is how the Russian government managed to so effectively identify and target unexpectedly influential voter populations in key states, down to the precinct level. According to McClatchy, one source said that investigators wonder whether Russia would have known where to specifically target without assistance from another party. There appears to have been significant cooperation between Russias online propaganda machine and individuals in the United States who were knowledgeable about where to target the disinformation, Mike Carpenter, who left a senior post at the Pentagon in January, said.
With an army of bots wielding pro-Trump messaging and fake-news stories about Clinton, the Russian government targeted a number of key precincts in states that Clinton narrowly lost last year. It appears that, for example, women and African-Americans were targeted in places like Wisconsin and Michigan, where the Democrats were too brain-dead to realize those states were even in play, Mark Warner, the vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said during an interview with Pod Save America. I get the fact that the Russian intel services could figure out how to manipulate and use the bots. Whether they could know how to target states and levels of voters that the Democrats werent even aware really raises some questions.