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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPence resigns, Repubs replaces him with someone
that they think will pass their agenda, Trump resigns, Pence replacement becomes President.
I think that is what will happen.
Re: Agnew, Nixon, Ford
MineralMan
(146,338 posts)Why would he resign? Sounds like a fantasy to me, more than a possibility, really.
OnDoutside
(19,982 posts)He's a slippery snake, but he's not a mastermind. Remember too that he's been fighting to keep his Indiana emails secret.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)A luxury that Agnew didn't have, because he was prosecuted for corruption dating back to when he was a county official.
Historic NY
(37,454 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,248 posts)Were you of adult age during Watergate era? What you're describing is sort of the opposite of what happened with the Nixon/Ford thing. Ford didn't achieve any major legislative success from Nixon's agenda, or the Republican agenda of the time. He was perilously close to a figurehead.
He had no chance in '76, and Carter, who didn't inspire all that many independents, won easily, even with an independent challenge from John Anderson.
Taking over for a administration in disgrace is hardly a bully pulpit from which to drive an agenda.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,248 posts)Ford was a toothless tiger. The only thing he accomplished was pardoning Nixon and whipping up a frenzy over inflation (remember Whip Inflation Now, or W.I.N.?) and he got killed come 1976 for that. The Congress wasn't really listening to him and the american people dismissed him out of hand.
And, he was not an unpopular character before any of that. He was seen as a good and honorable man but when he got caught up in the wake of Watergate he might as well have been on the ship as it went down.
I'm sure you recall him being the butt of comics' jokes. Chevy Chase launched his career by lampooning Ford. Ford trips on the steps and now he's a national joke. If it weren't for the stain of Watergate, that never would have happened.
Coming in to mop up the blood after a total disaster of an administration running off in disgrace is not an aid in pushing an agenda
jmowreader
(50,567 posts)After Nixon, the Republicans knew they were screwed in 1976. They needed a nice, honest, inoffensive man who wouldn't mind finishing out his political career by serving as President of the United States to soothe the country for two years until the Democrats moved into the White House in 1977. Ford was the perfect man for the job.
ProfessorGAC
(65,248 posts)That said, to the american public at large his clout was pretty close to zero. This is what happens when you have to take over after a disastrous disgrace.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)wanted a rest from the war and the protests and Watergate.
Ford was calming influence. I lived in Michigan when he ran against Carter. It was made very clear to us in MI that to save auto industry jobs we needed to keep Ford in office.
He was the only Repub I ever voted for in my life
global1
(25,285 posts)And a comment here: If this is to happen - Pence needs to resign soon - as eyes are beginning to focus on him and his possible knowledge of the Russian collusion and his possible meetings/contacts with the Russians. He needs to walk out of the Trump administration relatively unscathed. I don't know if that is possible.
I just posted my theory about some of the notable Repugs that are leaving the Party and declaring themselves as Independents.
Your Pence theory here might fit in with my scenario as to the 2018 Midterms.
Check out this link: https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029321394
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)global1
(25,285 posts)Kasich seems to be one of the voices of reason within the Repug Party. He certainly has more credibility and likability than the likes of Rubio and Cruz and the other members of the Repug 2016 clown car. Another possibility could be to resurrect Jeb.
With respect to Kasich - if you google him - you will find a number of articles tapping him to run against Trump (should Trump last that long) in 2020.
tblue37
(65,502 posts)Yes, he expanded Medicaid and is lobbying Congress to not repeal the ACA, but he is gung ho for the rest of the right wing agenda.
MurrayDelph
(5,301 posts)Pretty much anyone else would not take the heat off.
global1
(25,285 posts)Romney is a loser and has no credibility. He embarassed himself when he had that dinner with Trump. Looks weak.
Kasich on the other hand - always was against Trump and even after Trump won the nomination and the presidency - Kasich still was against Trump For that reason - Kasich would have a lot of credibility with the Repug voters that want to recover their Party.
Watch in the next few weeks - Kasich will show up as a guest on Morning Joe.
tblue37
(65,502 posts)country's domestic and foreign policy. When Kasich asked what Trump would be doing, Fredo said he would be making America great again.
FM123
(10,054 posts)How about Hillary runs and wins congressional seat in NY, the Reps lose the majority in the House, then Dems make her Speaker, the Dems impeach and remove Trumpy & Pence then BOOM she automatically becomes Prez?!?
What? It could happen....
FSogol
(45,555 posts)American by appearing (hopelessly outmatched) on some reality dancing shows. The llama is swept into office during the midterms and begins a new era of environmental stewardship to insure a large supply of tasty grain pellets.
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)global1
(25,285 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)That means he has, as a no would be automatic....thus Pence is going to have problems too. As may Ryan & McConnell.
titaniumsalute
(4,742 posts)the right are creaming themselves behind closed doors for President Jesus Pence.
ChoppinBroccoli
(3,784 posts)..............Newt Gingrich. Just a gut feeling. I think he really WANTED Gingrich as his original running mate but was told it wasn't strategically sound. Plus, Gingrich has been busy getting his face in front of as many cameras as possible lately. Seems like something is in the offing.
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)The Republicans kicked his ass out in disgrace.
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)onecent
(6,096 posts)politicat
(9,808 posts)PLus, so much dirt on him, too. I don't think any uptick in his bloviations means anything other than he's fighting for attention in a distracted field.
struggle4progress
(118,379 posts)If the presidency and vice-presidency are both vacant, Speaker of the House (Ryan) is next in line, followed by President pro tem of the Senate (Hatch)
JoeStuckInOH
(544 posts)Either way, that's pretty terrible choices... the guy can't even do his own job let alone Pence's, too.
struggle4progress
(118,379 posts)Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress
BTW, a vacancy in the office of the Vice President is a vacancy, not an opportunity for the President to exercise the powers of both offices.
Bettie
(16,132 posts)he'll sign anything they ask him to.
Why would they get rid of him?
applegrove
(118,845 posts)and replaces him with Christe "it was always you, Chris"?
CK_John
(10,005 posts)applegrove
(118,845 posts)Locutusofborg
(525 posts)Same thing as firing him.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,900 posts)and can't be fired.
CK_John
(10,005 posts)The VP has 2 jobs, President of the Senate and break a vote and to call the WH and check on see if the POTUS is still breathing.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)CK_John
(10,005 posts)raging moderate
(4,311 posts)Somehow the Republicans would rather we all forgot about Spiro Agnew.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,900 posts)He was charged with having accepted bribes while he was the Governor of Maryland and Vice President but was allowed to plead no contest to the charge that he had failed to report $29,500 of income - only on the condition that he resign as Vice President.
CK_John
(10,005 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,900 posts)Trump would replace him with whoever he wanted, though that person would have to be confirmed by the Senate. But no way in hell will Pence resign. I suspect he's been surreptitiously measuring the drapes in the Oval Office already.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Raine1967
(11,589 posts)Right now Dolt 45 is in their way.
standingtall
(2,787 posts)and his whole family of criminals.