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redgreenandblue

(2,088 posts)
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 04:15 PM Jul 2017

The "rural/urban divide". It seems to exist in a lot of places.

It has been discussed ad infinitum that one of the biggest issues in American politics is the rural/urban divide, with it shaping the politcal identities of entire populations. Rural voters tend to be conservative and Republican while voters in the large population centers tend to be liberal and vote Demcratic. Rural vs. urban is a much more important distinction when it comes to politics or culture as, say, North vs. South.

What is strange is that this seems to be so in a lot of places.

I have a friend from Iran who reports that Teheran is an awesome city, and that a strong educated middle class exists there which, behind closed doors, engages in a lot of partying etc. Meanwhile the, what he calls, "village idiots" join the religious vice squads. Mostly uneducated people, placed into positions of power by the theocratic regime. Most of the time they can be bribed when you run into trouble with them. Sometimes they decide to harass you just for the hell of it. Overall, poorly educated rural people are the backbone of the regime.

Same thing in Belarus. I have a friend from there as well. He describes the rural folks there as "soviet zombies". They form the base of Lukachenko. The entire opposition is in the capital.

I find it fascinating how this issue plays out in such similar ways in different places around the world.

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The "rural/urban divide". It seems to exist in a lot of places. (Original Post) redgreenandblue Jul 2017 OP
Yes, this particular divide has occurred in many countries. Nitram Jul 2017 #1
jealous envy filled people poisoned by fear based religion are everywhere nt msongs Jul 2017 #2
Liberals tend to seek leading-edge change and diverse culture. Hortensis Jul 2017 #3
"Brain Drain" is a huge problem in the U.S.A. hunter Jul 2017 #4
This Comatose Sphagetti Jul 2017 #6
My Aussie friend notices the same thing down there. Ligyron Jul 2017 #5
bogans, right? Skittles Jul 2017 #9
Should your title be"Educated versus Uneducated"? Blue_true Jul 2017 #7
Rural voters should only get 3/5th of a vote. ileus Jul 2017 #8
I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in that totalitarian shithole. NutmegYankee Jul 2017 #11
The rural bubble is real, and hurts everyone Lordquinton Jul 2017 #10

Nitram

(22,900 posts)
1. Yes, this particular divide has occurred in many countries.
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 04:30 PM
Jul 2017

In Japan, for example, the real vote counts for a great deal more than the proportion of the population it represents. Japanese courts have repeatedly ruled that elections have been unconstitutional because of the disproportionate vale of rural votes, but nothing is done about it because the LDP (the dominant party) depends on rural votes to stay in power.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
3. Liberals tend to seek leading-edge change and diverse culture.
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 04:57 PM
Jul 2017

Conservatives tend to avoid both, and of course if urban conservatives have to go to some lengths to do that they will. That's a huge generality, of course, but it's always been that way and in many nations as urbanization continues the separating out is intensifying.

When I was working in a downtown LA skyscraper I learned that, shockingly, many people around me, including strangers chatting in the elevators as I rode the 50+ stories down, had literally never walked out at street level, and never wanted to, even though it was a great neighborhood with many very wonderful places, art galleries and fine museums (Museum of Contemporary Art practically across the street), central library, restaurants and an exquisite bakery, open-air concerts on summer nights, Grand Central Market, etc, etc, in walking distance.



hunter

(38,334 posts)
4. "Brain Drain" is a huge problem in the U.S.A.
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 05:10 PM
Jul 2017

The smart kids, the creative kids, especially the tortured LGBTQ kids, flee shit-hole rural and suburban religiously insane U.S.A. just as soon as they are able.

Some of my favorite teachers of paleontology and evolutionary biology grew up in creationist communities. They hit the road when they graduated from high school and never looked back.

I know a lot of military people like that too. They signed up, saw the world, and never went back home again.

It's serious suckage that the regressive rural people are granted extra clout in our political system.

I grew up in 99.44% Ivory Soap white affluent "Christian" U.S.A.. The politics of that place are marginally Democratic, but there's no way in hell I'd ever return. My entire family, my parents, my siblings, cousins, my in-laws, nieces and nephews, fled just as soon as they were able. Nobody stayed.







Comatose Sphagetti

(836 posts)
6. This
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 05:32 PM
Jul 2017

"The smart kids, the creative kids, especially the tortured LGBTQ kids, flee shit-hole rural and suburban religiously insane U.S.A. just as soon as they are able."

I've been watching it happen here in rural bumf*ck Indiana for years.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
7. Should your title be"Educated versus Uneducated"?
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 05:40 PM
Jul 2017

Study after study have shown educated people tend to live in suburbs and cities and have higher incomes typically.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
8. Rural voters should only get 3/5th of a vote.
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 05:54 PM
Jul 2017

Or only farmers should be allowed to live outside of Cities.

NutmegYankee

(16,201 posts)
11. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in that totalitarian shithole.
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 10:56 PM
Jul 2017

There are plenty of Lefties who like the idyllic countryside, with wildlife freely moving about in dense forests and freedom from incessant man-made noises. I'd fight to the death rather than be forced to live in a city.

Its not that I like the occasional trashy ignorant asshole who lives out in the countryside, as I love the tolerant culture of cities, but I can't stand the noise, concrete, and close quarters. I NEED to be out in nature.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
10. The rural bubble is real, and hurts everyone
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 05:13 AM
Jul 2017

For instance, our whole system is at the whims of rural voters, who just get screwed over anyways, but at least they kept the liberals out!

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