Upshot would be the damage you mention, with no guarantee the next elections would undo it.

Getting rid of Trump would make that even more likely. President Pence would never sign a bill passed by dems. Trump really just doesn't give a two shits what he signs.

But what would the chances of that be?

would say say carnage is acceptable for political gain? We don't kill the vulnerable.

We have to fight like hell to stop it. It will kill thousands.

they will likely blame Obama, Hillary, or fake news. And then still vote red.

These things naturally swing. This and Russia would put that into hyper-drive.

voting.

Every non fascist shows up to vote, in every election , for ANY democrat.

We should fight like crazy to make sure it doesn't pass.

But that shouldn't stop one from thinking about what happens next.

...if people die.

If one was cynical/amoral, it might seem a runner, but this could have unexpected consequences for Democratic Party, drastic consequences for people affected. If there was no healthcare and Republicans still controlled Congress, they'd paint Democrats as obstructing people's healthcare, if Dems tried to block it.

We should. We shouldn't want power for power's sake. The reason you get power is to help people. Plus, even politically, we cannot be seen as playing games with this. We have to do everything in our power to stop this.

However, this issue has always seemed odd to me. If you really thought about where a free market health care system might work, it is urban areas. Lots of docs, lots of hospitals means that you might be able to design something that could work somewhat. These are basically democratic voters. Not that they won't be hurt, as many are poor, but less so then rural areas. Here you have basically one doctor and very few doctors. In other words, you have a very natural monopoly.

In sum, the odd thing politically is that this bill hurts their voters a lot more then it hurts our voters. When you take this issue, which will hurt the white and poor, and add it to Russia, which will hurt them among the white and educated.. it just doesn't seem like good politics to me.

the gap between a clearly divided Rep Party, to push through their changes. Aside from that, and not forgetting the moralistic standpoint, failure to be seen to do the right thing would be bound to backfire, especially with the Democratic base. I think you were right to make the point, that many had a moment to think about.

It would never work anywhere...so you come here to suggest Democrats are better off if we let the ACA go... no we are not...and I can't understand why any Democrat would think so.

states. The medicare cut make Trump care unacceptable on any level...this is not about health care ...it is about destroying medicare and giving a giant tax cuts to Republicans...and there is no guarantee we would be able to fix it for years.

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

Sheesh. It is so much fun to run into what seems like near-daily suggestions on DU suggesting I should be willing to sacrifice my daughter's life for the sake of winning the next election. Hey - I can just make another daughter, right?

Remind me to ask my daughter, when she gets home later from her monthly $8,000 life-saving infusion how she feels about being a political football.

are wrong...we get nothing for years if ever...and you can't the immorality of killing millions out of the argument.

fix anything and even if we got a simple majority we would not be able to fix it...and would be tossed out in the next election...enacting Trump care is a lose lose for Democrats.

Many more where that one came from.

There is no guarantee that would help the Democrats especially with the continued hacking, gerrymandering and voter suppression. Plus I don't want to see people die.

Mundane status quo partisan politics...
has officially been deconstructed and sold for scrap....

The days in which a bad piece of legislation passed by one party can be of value for the other party at the next election... are gone.

This is a fight for the core of our entire way of life as members of a constitutionally based democratic republic...

We are not even talking about an internal philosophical disagreement based fight - similar to that of civil war...

think 1775.... and that whole independence from the king scenario ...
where most of the kgop are not ready to break from king putin-rump...
but it is necessary, nonetheless, to seek independence.

That's why they wrote the bill with a "glide path." They're hoping by the time millions of people lose their Medicaid and other benefits, they won't remember who passed the bill that made it happen.

Thats actually pretty soon

It's bigger intent is to decimate Medicaid.

People who actually work in government, along with actual Politicians who are in government to make a difference, instead of someplace to land because they were shitty at the job they went to college for, will tell you that policies that are enacted to help communities are almost universally hated by the loudest voices within the communities. Legislation will never be "perfect", because "perfect legislation" can only be found in places like North Korea or Saudi Arabia; where the dictators own everything.

So, let's consider the BACA. It's basically a Trillion Dollar over Ten Years Tax Cut for wealthy individuals paid for by gutting the parts of the ACA where they consider they're being unfairly taxed and regulatory requirements that doesn't seem important to people with money to begin with. Nothing "new" is being added - not services, not regulations. Just parts are being taken away.

That's a lot of money involved, and the people who want it to pass own the Media, investment firms, major retail, and international corporations. So, they're pretty much in charge of how the message is going to be delivered to "the masses" - the general electorate.
And that's where the politics of governance goes out the window. If the message is being controlled, and you are not one of the ones controlling it, there's no politics there. It's sports, and they won.

If TrumpCare passes, there's not going to be much of an uprising against the GOP, because the people making money off the GOP and TrumpCare control the media. And they've pretty much bought most of the infrastructure to run a ground game against the Democrats since 1992 - because we've been playing politics, and they haven't.

I'm not being defeatist, I'm being a Sea Lawyer here. And every Lawyer will tell you - never ask a question or propose a solution unless you have a very high probability you know what the answer is going to be.
Historically, I don't trust the electorate here. I know too many people who have given up on Democracy, who refuse to vote because "both parties do it". Too many people have made the perfect the enemy of the good, and will accept whatever shit the GOP is selling because they're going to wait for the knight in shining armor to rescue them and make a unilateral change in their lives.

If TrumpCare passes, that's at least a decade of health care - of life lost for probably close to 1/6 of the citizens in this country. It's millions of jobs lost, at a time when technology is taking over productivity and Health Care was one of the few fields that might still have jobs.
TrumpCare passing will turn the survivors cynical and isolationist, not trusting in their governance, local, state or national as services falter and disappear and the wealthy buy more and more of the government resources.

Politics-wise, for a Democracy, it's a disaster - unless you like living in Putin's Russia, or some other third world country.

Haele

I'd rather they stayed home because the GOP couldn't pass it.

Hailing the destruction of a group of people, any group of people, is not who we are.

Jesus.

Includes Looking at the potential political benefits of genocide, be at active or passive, it is a sign you may have gone a bit too far...