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From Laurence Tribe this evening:
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C_U_L8R
(45,021 posts)Trump has sure boxed himself in
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)For defying a valid subpoena requiring the person to testify, he or she can be jailed for contempt of court (or contempt of Congress, if the subpoena was issued by a Congressional committee).
Robert Mueller, as special counsel to the Department of Justice, has the power to issue subpoenas.
dflprincess
(28,086 posts)and once they have done that, they can't fall back on the Fifth Amendment. Donnie Two Scoops may outsmart himself if he starts issuing pardons.
global1
(25,279 posts)and people he pardoned that can't fall back on the 5th A - and they rat him out - to lead to his impeachment - would he still be susceptible to further legal action against him that would lead him to be jailed?
unblock
(52,355 posts)note, however, that as long as he *is* potus, he can still pardon his cronies not only for their original misdeeds, but also for refusing to then testify against him.
Volaris
(10,274 posts)GOOD!
unblock
(52,355 posts)first he'll pardon all his cronies.
then, when they get subpoenaed to testify against benedict donald, they'll all refuse.
they'll then get charged with contempt or obstruction or whatever, it doesn't matter ***because benedict donald will pardon that, too!***
they can't *really* be compelled to testify until benedict donald no longer wields the pardon power.
question everything
(47,544 posts)and taking the whole crowd: Kushner, Bannon, Ivanka, with him.
highplainsdem
(49,044 posts)It's important for our country, and for our standing in the world, for their crimes to be exposed, and for them to be punished.
TrishaJ
(798 posts)Pardon your kids, your associates, yourself, and then RESIGN. Go live in Russia.
moondust
(20,014 posts)it seems like it would be a huge incentive for crooks to lie their way into the office, pull off a gigantic heist during or at the end of their terms, and simply pardon themselves on the way out the door. Yikes!
(I wonder if that was his plan?)
Merlot
(9,696 posts)by becoming their puppet. Maybe in their private meeting, putie and trumptf discussed debt relief and forgivness.
Remove sanctions = debt forgivness.
moondust
(20,014 posts)followed by a self-pardon would also solve his debt problem.
oasis
(49,426 posts)tblue37
(65,490 posts)then gets pardoned by Pence. Heck, since Pence is dirty, too, Trump could preemptively pardon him, as well, then resign to be pardoned by him.