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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo, perhaps a sitting president CAN be indicted! NYT
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/22/us/politics/can-president-be-indicted-kenneth-starr-memo.html?smid=tw-shareThe 56-page memo, locked in the National Archives for nearly two decades and obtained by The New York Times under the Freedom of Information Act, amounts to the most thorough government-commissioned analysis rejecting a generally held view that presidents are immune from prosecution while in office.
It is proper, constitutional, and legal for a federal grand jury to indict a sitting president for serious criminal acts that are not part of, and are contrary to, the presidents official duties, the Starr office memo concludes. In this country, no one, even President Clinton, is above the law.
Mr. Starr assigned Ronald Rotunda, a prominent conservative professor of constitutional law and ethics whom Mr. Starr hired as a consultant on his legal team, to write the memo in spring 1998 after deputies advised him that they had gathered enough evidence to ask a grand jury to indict Mr. Clinton, the memo shows...
dalton99a
(81,515 posts)WhiteTara
(29,718 posts)and perhaps the day has arrived where what they did with the law for a blowjob, we will use for criminal acts.
How about that! Applying the law to real insidious criminal acts.
a kennedy
(29,673 posts)Alice11111
(5,730 posts)years later, and forgotten about it.
pirateshipdude
(967 posts)Especially since Starr has come back on the scene to steal our votes, I believe.
procon
(15,805 posts)Canoe52
(2,948 posts)too bad they don't put in that much time constructively helping the country.
As our ex-president to be says - Sad.
TrishaJ
(798 posts)(in the House at that time) going on and on and on about "rule of law! rule of law! rule of law!"
And where is the Senator NOW on "rule of law??" CRICKETS
japple
(9,833 posts)saying, "is this machine working...is this thang on?"
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)led by Lindsey Graham
It was a recreation of the Salem Witch trials. I've always hated him. He has not changed that much, but the RW has gone to the far Right of him, making him a moderate in this Senate. Who would have thought that possible after Obama. He's trying to get DACA through.
DK504
(3,847 posts)Whaaaa....Archie Cox was wrong???? He is right no one in this country is supposed to be above the law. That hasn't been the case, but in theory it is correct. They are thinking because a sitting president can't be sued it is the same thing.
Once again the Brown Shirts cherry picking laws. Time to disabuse them of that diversion.
Volaris
(10,272 posts)Doubly so if their own argument for indictment gets to be used against them...gods how they would scream about the unfairness of it all...
bench scientist
(1,107 posts)DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)including its author, most assuredly picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)The fly in the ointment is finding a U.S. Attorney who will convene a grand jury to consider the evidence of any crimes President Trump may have committed. If you see one, he or she is probably riding a unicorn. And the unicorn is farting rainbows. And there's a pot of Russian hooker pee at the end of each of the rainbows.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)I'm quite sure he's 'into' the process being as humiliating to the lady involved as possible, involving 'begging', 'loving it', etc.
LudwigPastorius
(9,155 posts)ultimately it would be up to the Supreme Court to decide.
...and, Trump is hoping he can stack that deck before such a question comes before them.
H2O Man
(73,559 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,862 posts)was that no one, not even the President, is above the law.
Remember "unindicted co-conspirator"?
mgardener
(1,817 posts)Are people even questioning if a POTUS could not be indicted for treason?
And why /how can a POTUS pardon someone for treason?
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)doesn't say "except in cases of treason" when discussing the President's pardon power.
Considering that George Washington actually pardoned people convicted of treason I'd
say that there's no doubt a President can do so.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)thus allowing him to escape the penalties of the law.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,862 posts)I was around then. I was living in the DC area at the time. I recall quite clearly various pundits and editorials pontificating that the pardon was the right thing to do, but I was not at all alone in being totally furious, in thinking that Nixon should have paid the full penalty. He should have died in jail. Instead, as too often happens, he became canonized as a "senior statesman" when he was still the slimy used car salesman he'd always been.
Similarly, John McCain's brain cancer is making people forget what a terrible person he's been. He was lionized here on DU many years ago as some sort of liberal, when he NEVER was even remotely liberal. He has steadily opposed policies and legislation that would improve the lives or ordinary people, and somehow, now, he's sacrosanct?
No. He gets to live and die by what he's actually said and done over the years.
And never forget he was willing to inflict Sarah Palin on us. That alone should condemn him.
Neema
(1,151 posts)on the left, are reframing Dubya as a lovable buffoon. The man who took us to war with the wrong country. The man who laughed and joked about looking for the "missing WMDs" under his desk while thousands and thousands of people died. I loathe 45 with the white-hot fury of a thousand suns but it will never make me forget that Duyba should be rotting in jail for war crimes.
Nitram
(22,822 posts)they now find inconvenient.
Chemisse
(30,813 posts)That's the trouble with changing the rules to suit the moment; someday the other side may benefit from it.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)They got rid of it
Reagan and both bushes would've been impeached by the Starr standard
They SHOULDve been
BadgerMom
(2,771 posts)Good to know, Mr. Starr. Thanks, NYT.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)rusty fender
(3,428 posts)it only applies if the POTUS is a Democrat.
ancianita
(36,082 posts)This also explains why Trump can get indicted.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029358446
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)And we all thought that vast, right-wing conspiracy was a completely useless waste of taxpayer monies.
crosinski
(411 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)If AFTER the election, they are likely to be deemed part of official duties. If before..no way.
madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)Oh nevermind. I didn't have my glasses on.
bucolic_frolic
(43,182 posts)onetexan
(13,043 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)randr
(12,412 posts)orleans
(34,060 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,182 posts)been a remarkable 3 days ... wonder if something is very imminent
SergeStorms
(19,201 posts)It's Okay If You're A Republican. IOKIYAR.
Clinton lied about a blow-job.
Donald Trump is killing off millions with his "Don't Care" healthcare plan, destroying the American government, allowing Russians to hijack our electoral process, laundering money for Russian Oligarchs, breaking the emoluments clause to an exponential degree, and a host of other dirty, dastardly and unlawful things.
No problem. In the Republican controlled Congress's opinion, Trump hasn't done ANYTHING WRONG!
But that BLOWJOB! LOCK HIM AND HER UP! HITLERY DELETED EMAILS AND WASHED THEM IN ACID! And although the FBI could find nothing to charge them with, they should both swing from a gallows constructed in the Capital Rotunda.
Let the punishment fit the crime, you know?