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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMUELLER WORKS FOR THE GOVERNMENT; TRUMP WORKS FOR THE STATE.
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Most people, including myself and resistance friends, confuse government with the state, and vice versa.
How states and governments are different: (source cited below)
A government is a set of organized, responsible institutions that serve as a system of social and economic administration. They handle the problems of living in an orderly way. A government can be a dictatorship, monarchy, republican or libertarian. But without a rudimentary body of institutions to sort out rights an duties of its members (hopefully democratically), society would likely dissolve into a disorderly aggregate of individuals (what we might today call 'failed states', by way of example).
Concept source: Guerrillas of Desire, Kevin Van Meter (2017)
What's this got to do with Mueller and Trump?
The way I see everyday right wingers and conservatives now, is that they want the continuance of good government (Medicare, Medicaid, schools, infrastructure, etc.) for themselves and America. They just confuse their hatred of state exploitation with government. It serves their representatives in Congress for them to stay that way as these suited dupes do the bidding of their capitalist funders.
I see how right wing, conservative Americans are silent when they cant figure, at this point, just who is on their side Trump, or the FBI.
Now that I see George Will come on MSNBC to sort out the morality of conservativism, it occurs to me that morality of this government is at odds with the immorality of Trump's statist cabal, and that the government v. state differences could help make more sense of it all to them.
So I think I've found a better frame to mend a big divide in this country.
When I talk about this situation with my right wing friends and neighbors, my plan is to distinguish these two entities -- government and state -- so that we can,
First, understand which masters Mueller and Trump serve.
Second, unite to break down statist capitalists who weaken our statehouse governance and services, then strengthen state house democratic government.
Knowing this is why so many billionaires see the weakening of our government as against their best interests, people like Bloomberg, Buffet and Hanauer, EU oligarchs; while statists like the Kochs, Mercers, Putin fight to centralize capitalist power.
Without going into further details of government v. state, I prefer to distinguish how Mueller serves the ends of democratic government.
The FBI and Mueller are, right now, independent of the apparatus of state and capitalist power, by virtue of his and the FBIs serving only the democratic ends of the US Constitution.
Mueller and the FBI are, right now, creating the rules by which capitalism may no longer encroach on democratic governments.
Mueller and the FBI are, thereby, cleaning house of Soviet Russian statists.
Mueller and the FBI will be indicting those who use state apparatuses to hoard and control power to turn the US into a Russian state satellite.
Because Russia is a capitalist statist entity.
America is still a democratic government.
Rescind Citizens United, and America will continue to be a democratic government, not a satellite of any capitalist state.
marybourg
(12,633 posts)immediate family and his creditors.
ancianita
(36,094 posts)He'd just say, "I work for me and mine. You don't like it? Bring it!"
If someone only works for himself, he wouldn't cover for Flynn, chase Comey to find out if he's being investigated, put down intel agencies or Mueller.
He wouldn't finally do and say what his staff and hired lawyers tell him to do and say. He'd just listen to family.
He can't work for himself because he's proven that when he does, he's a fuckup.
But he's changing his "help" bench day by day, because his family alone can't help him, because he can't buy his way out of his bad capitalist practices.
He's only fooling some of the people all of the time.
marybourg
(12,633 posts)creditor in the form of Russian banks which have lent tRump money that he can't pay back and with which Putin is politically and financially enmeshed.
ancianita
(36,094 posts)Banks are government monitored everywhere. Secret Service, FBI, etc.
When he goes into debt -- four bankruptcies, at least -- he drags any country's government into his dealings intended for only himself and family. It kinda shows stupidity in that he misused money which could hurt his family.
When it came out that Russian criminal money had entered the country through Trump's deals, Americans get pissed that their assets might get bought -- real estate, public works, Medicare -- the dollar value amounts later diverted to pay off debts. And that Russian people get mysteriously murdered on American soil.
The state could care less what Trump did for himself and fam. It cares less about money laundering, capitalists' debts, and even less that our elections are compromised.
Without banks and FBI caring, we'd never even have found this crap out.
Far as I'm concerned, no one can stop Trump from selling off pieces of America's wealth to a hostile country BUT this government. It's punching at cross-continent corruptions of Trump and the world's statists.
We're about to see whether DJT OR his family legally or illegally used ANY kind of money.
If they used their money illegally, they're a crime family.
The Trump Crime Family.