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ancianita

(36,094 posts)
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 12:36 PM Jul 2017

MUELLER WORKS FOR THE GOVERNMENT; TRUMP WORKS FOR THE STATE.

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Most people, including myself and resistance friends, confuse government with the state, and vice versa.

How states and governments are different: (source cited below)

All states are governments but not all governments are states.

A government is a set of organized, responsible institutions that serve as a system of social and economic administration. They handle the problems of living in an orderly way. A government can be a dictatorship, monarchy, republican or libertarian. But without a rudimentary body of institutions to sort out rights an duties of its members (hopefully democratically), society would likely dissolve into a disorderly aggregate of individuals (what we might today call 'failed states', by way of example).


A state, by contrast, is organized to serve the interests of a privileged and often propertied class of a few (millions, today) at the expense of the majority (billions). The state is the central committee of the capitalist bourgeioisie. Capitalism’s growth depends on state power. The rise of the state transformed governance, rapidly or slowly, into a malignant force for social development. When a government becomes a state, coercive mechanisms for perpetuate class for exploitative purposes becomes a public feature; and then governance takes on different institutional characteristics (e.g., public and private forms of reproductive control, school or public discipline).


The modern state used to depend on oppressive centralism but it now decentralizes its relations of power to militarized police forces, private foundations, PAC, voting redistricting, cuts to public housing, food subsidies, upsurges in militias and religious organizations.


The state as FORM hoards and employs power. It expresses nationalist fervor, absolute authority, promise of renewal through elections and salvation through obedience. The state as APPARATUS imposes its order through (as one example) racist Jim Crow apparatuses of KKK, White Citizens Councils, Protestant Christianity in concert with elected officials, local police, banks, landlords, federal agencies that maintain redlining and ghettoes).


Concept source: “Guerrillas of Desire”, Kevin Van Meter (2017)



What's this got to do with Mueller and Trump?

The way I see everyday right wingers and conservatives now, is that they want the continuance of good government (Medicare, Medicaid, schools, infrastructure, etc.) for themselves and America. They just confuse their hatred of state exploitation with government. It serves their representatives in Congress for them to stay that way as these suited dupes do the bidding of their capitalist funders.

I see how right wing, conservative Americans are silent when they can’t figure, at this point, just who is on their side — Trump, or the FBI.

Now that I see George Will come on MSNBC to sort out the morality of conservativism, it occurs to me that morality of this government is at odds with the immorality of Trump's statist cabal, and that the government v. state differences could help make more sense of it all to them.

So I think I've found a better frame to mend a big divide in this country.

When I talk about this situation with my right wing friends and neighbors, my plan is to distinguish these two entities -- government and state -- so that we can,

First, understand which masters Mueller and Trump serve.

Second, unite to break down statist capitalists who weaken our statehouse governance and services, then strengthen state house democratic government.

Knowing this is why so many billionaires see the weakening of our government as against their best interests, people like Bloomberg, Buffet and Hanauer, EU oligarchs; while statists like the Kochs, Mercers, Putin fight to centralize capitalist power.

Without going into further details of government v. state, I prefer to distinguish how Mueller serves the ends of democratic government.

The FBI and Mueller are, right now, independent of the apparatus of state and capitalist power, by virtue of his and the FBI’s serving only the democratic ends of the US Constitution.

Mueller and the FBI are, right now, creating the rules by which capitalism may no longer encroach on democratic governments.

Mueller and the FBI are, thereby, cleaning house of Soviet Russian statists.

Mueller and the FBI will be indicting those who use state apparatuses to hoard and control power to turn the US into a Russian state satellite.

Because Russia is a capitalist statist entity.

America is still a democratic government.

Rescind Citizens United, and America will continue to be a democratic government, not a satellite of any capitalist state.



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MUELLER WORKS FOR THE GOVERNMENT; TRUMP WORKS FOR THE STATE. (Original Post) ancianita Jul 2017 OP
Phooey on that. Trump works for himself, his marybourg Jul 2017 #1
Explain, then, why he kisses Putin's ass. Or how working for himself contradicts what I'm saying. ancianita Jul 2017 #2
Because Putin is a marybourg Jul 2017 #3
How did we come to know all that. He went outside his family to banks. ancianita Jul 2017 #4

ancianita

(36,094 posts)
2. Explain, then, why he kisses Putin's ass. Or how working for himself contradicts what I'm saying.
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 03:38 PM
Jul 2017

He'd just say, "I work for me and mine. You don't like it? Bring it!"

If someone only works for himself, he wouldn't cover for Flynn, chase Comey to find out if he's being investigated, put down intel agencies or Mueller.

He wouldn't finally do and say what his staff and hired lawyers tell him to do and say. He'd just listen to family.

He can't work for himself because he's proven that when he does, he's a fuckup.

But he's changing his "help" bench day by day, because his family alone can't help him, because he can't buy his way out of his bad capitalist practices.

He's only fooling some of the people all of the time.

marybourg

(12,633 posts)
3. Because Putin is a
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 04:55 PM
Jul 2017

creditor in the form of Russian banks which have lent tRump money that he can't pay back and with which Putin is politically and financially enmeshed.

ancianita

(36,094 posts)
4. How did we come to know all that. He went outside his family to banks.
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 05:52 PM
Jul 2017

Banks are government monitored everywhere. Secret Service, FBI, etc.

When he goes into debt -- four bankruptcies, at least -- he drags any country's government into his dealings intended for only himself and family. It kinda shows stupidity in that he misused money which could hurt his family.

When it came out that Russian criminal money had entered the country through Trump's deals, Americans get pissed that their assets might get bought -- real estate, public works, Medicare -- the dollar value amounts later diverted to pay off debts. And that Russian people get mysteriously murdered on American soil.

The state could care less what Trump did for himself and fam. It cares less about money laundering, capitalists' debts, and even less that our elections are compromised.

Without banks and FBI caring, we'd never even have found this crap out.

Far as I'm concerned, no one can stop Trump from selling off pieces of America's wealth to a hostile country BUT this government. It's punching at cross-continent corruptions of Trump and the world's statists.


We're about to see whether DJT OR his family legally or illegally used ANY kind of money.

If they used their money illegally, they're a crime family.

The Trump Crime Family.

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